A nice Lolita outfit, I'm aiming to get something similar sometime in the future.
I wish I could be a gothic lolita 
I wish I could pull off goth anything. Best I can do is Mr robot with less heroin. 
I think I could pull of a goth look. I was a metal head as a teenager...gothic lolita is like the final end boss for me though and I dont feel femme enough. Plus a lot of the lolita fashion seems pricey (If I would ever consider it) Will admit I havent really looked at it in years though.
Somebody just told me that part of the point is/was members of the culture making their own clothes.
In hindsight, Marx talked a lot about this (yards of Lolita linen lol)
Yes, I have immense respect for people who make their own clothes. That said, bringing the skill to a level at which I would be satisfied would be a struggle in itself.
I guess it could be perceived as a gatekeeping aspect many subcultures have prior to going mainstream.
I think the issue is mass produced clothing does not last long so does not hit the secondary market. Going back to my post a little bit there was a thriving used market in Japan and that is usually where people who did not have access or expertise to make things could get into the culture. You also had more of a sense of community with people helping others out to learn things and perhaps get equipment. Current Maker culture is like that right now where shared spaces have expensive gear you can use to finish projects.
That’s awesome, fast fashion poisoned me on fashion as a concept until I started lurking around lefty discussion of it that reject the consumer bullshit.
If I get you properly, the learning curve can be reframed as community building through onboarding? As opposed to my original (flawed?) framing of gatekeeping, I mean.
It’s kinda wild how rejecting consumer culture forced us to turn into makers if we go hard enough in the rejection. Cool, but also kinda wild.
Yeah, it can be pretty expensive. It does, however, have a large and thriving used market, because a lot if it is made well and used infrequently. LaceMarket is pretty cool.
Is fashion the type of art you either “get or don’t get” or is it capable of being explained?
I’m asking because I want to understand “Lolita fashion” seeing as I currently don’t.
I am in no way a fashion expert but I kind of want to give this a shot. I think of fashion as a way of categorizing set styles. The styles themselves are like guidelines that sometimes have big subcultures attached to them. In the case of Lolita fashion it was first a thing in Japan, and was mainly driven by girls/women in their rooms making the clothing themselves. If you read the wiki there was a huge social economic driver to the subculture as a whole that later got killed by our friend capitalism. The reason why it seems so radical and in your face is that is because it was meant as a rejection of the stifling nature of Japanese society as a whole. You will find that a lot of subcultures get generated by virtue of bucking the system. Hopefully this sounds coherent and not some crazy babbling.
It was not crazy babbling. I would even go so far as to say you did a very good job at making points that built on each other in a very easy to follow manner.
The radical (radix, root, going to the base) nature of rejecting social norms about self presentation made something click. It intersects with the goth Lolita comment another person made.
Thanks for the write up.
No problem comrade, this subject burns great inside of me because of my small Mormon town roots. You let me get a little bit of that out.
It's like the furry subculture's rejection of social norms but with japanese characteristics.
I may be showing my ass here, but I don’t understand that either. I vaguely approve from a distance because lots of cool people are involved, but I actually understand little to nothing about the way furry culture perceives itself. Is it like a totem thing? What is being rejected?
I have no clue, but I’m happy it exists. Countercultures are always full of people with “they live” glasses on.
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