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I feel like this instance is getting too big and all the content is being centralized here. Am I right or there are other instances thriving too?

Wherever I go I keep seeing lots of lemmy.world users and communities and kind of feel worried about centralization.

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[–] bumbly@readit.buzz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are many other instances. Feel free to join them :)

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

I wish we could transfer accounts

[–] Liontigerwings@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

C'mon. No single instance has as many users as any of the top 20 sub reddits I bet. Spreading out over 5 main instances is fine. The important thing is if one instance shits the bed, you have options. If the community isn't served properly they can easily jump to a new instance.

[–] Denaton@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

programming.dev is thriving but we are also a niche, lots of good communities for developers.

[–] Andonome@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't think anyone can tell where we're going. Mastodon.social was the largest instance by far for some time, then at the deluge, it splintered.

Part of the reason for Mastodon to fracture is specialization - each instance does something unique. Maybe Lemmy will do the same, maybe not.

But if we end up with 3 primary instances, it's still decentralized - I think the most useful feature of Lemmy isn't that we're spread out, it's that we could be.

[–] MeowdyPardner@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes this, and I could totally see the startrek instance growing into a hub for sci-fi related communities for example. More important than whether we are spread out is that the possibility and capability we have to spread out or migrate instances keeps instances in check by ensuring they don't have leverage or lock-in over the communities. Currently I think the main risk is communities living on 1 instance, but better instance migration tools would mostly mitigate that - imagine if you could migrate a community (which in underlying activitypub terms is very similar to a user account) to a different instance, the same way mastodon accounts can migrate between instances and keep followers.

[–] anaximander@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think this highlights a very good point. It's totally ok for everything to gravitate to a central instance as long as that instance is run in a way that everyone is happy with. The key is the the moment something changes and users aren't happy, the decentralised nature of Lemmy gives those users an exit strategy - a way to replace the bad instance and carry on.

If a single Lemmy instance becomes the new Reddit and then pulls a move that angers the community the way Reddit has recently, users wouldn't be reduced to protests and hoping that management listen, they could just spin up new instances, mirror the content, and carry on like nothing happened.

[–] kring@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The big, bad instance could just disable federation and all communities and user accounts would be locked on that instance.

There's a ton of other messengers and there's WhatsApp but as long as my family doesn't move from WhatsApp I'm stuck with it.

[–] coldv@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah a lot of Lemmy instances right now are mostly based on country or language, so.tnrte is some making use of the decentralisation. I'm hoping an art instance would pop up, then I might migrate.

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[–] hydra@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's the thing, I don't want one instance with too much control over others. That is a gateway to reintroducing corporate corruption into the Fediverse

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[–] speff@melly.0x-ia.moe 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

lemmy.world's pretty big, but I'm still getting other places. More spread would always be good though. Counts from my all feed -

  48 | lemmy.world
  14 | beehaw.org
  12 | sh.itjust.works
   4 | lemmy.dbzer0.com
   4 | lemmy.film
[–] Liontigerwings@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

C'mon. No single instance has as many users as any of the top 20 sub reddits I bet. Spreading out over 5 main instances is fine. The important thing is if one instance shits the bed, you have options. If the community isn't served properly they can easily jump to a new instance.

[–] corytheboyd@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Decoupled from venture backed tech corporations is all that matters. Close second is actual people creating actual content, which feels like the case! Curious to see how moderation pans out in the long run, but at least it’s in the hands of the community itself.

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[–] 314xel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

You can check stats on instances here.

lemmy.world is #2 by total user count (lemmy.ml being the 1st), but #1 by active users.

And judging by the Local posts and Local comments count, it seems that .world users interact more with communities in other instances than the local ones, unlike the other top instances.

So I would dare to say that your concern over content being monopolized by .world (based on subscribers to local communities) isn't founded - high number of users, but they tend to subscribe and interact more with communities on other instances.

This is of course anecdotal (same as your example), but I tend to see the opposite in my feed - few posts from communities on .world. It's very subjective based on what you subscribed to.

The high number of users on .world is because it still has open registration (server was recently upgraded beyond current capacity).

[–] passport@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

The high number of users on .world is because it still has open registration

I wonder if accounts on certain servers will be "prestigious" one day lol

[–] pilvlp@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Where's kbin on that list?

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

we're not a lemmy instance so we wouldn't be on there at all.

[–] TheYang@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

it's not lemmy, just also on the fediverse, so it's not on there.

but it's at over 30k now, soooo...

[–] 314xel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Good question, didn't notice that.

Edit: I briefly forgot that kbin uses a different source code / platform than Lemmy, even though still uses federation and ActivityPub and counts as part of the fediverse. So it's counted separately here.

Same like Mastodon, Matrix etc which are different platforms that have the ability to federate with some of the other fediverse platforms like Lemmy.

And also just now I learned that kbin has multiple instances, so it's like its own thing, not just a Lemmy-federated instance.

[–] Dav@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For the lazy, kbin.social has more active users than all of lemmy combined but a lot less posts.

[–] yankeebobo@mastodon.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

@Dav @hydra @314xel @pilvlp just like joining a gym but not using it

[–] 314xel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interestingly, Active users ~= Total users on kbin.social. But I have no idea how that Active number is computed for either lemmy or kbin on that site.

[–] atypicaloddity@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

kbin.social is really new, so it doesn't surprise me that active β‰ˆ total.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

we're literally a month old, so MAU and total users should be pretty much identical right now lol

[–] sokolobo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or joining one gym and going to another gym of the same franchise. Just like I'm doing now, hello from kbin :)

I've seen a lot of kbin users interacting with the rest of the fediverse, I think because it has a better sorting, it's easier for us to find new threads on other instances.

[–] randomperson@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

It has better... everything. Like seriously better.

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[–] Parallax@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

It makes me so fucking happy that I'm somewhere in that graph.

[–] Seismos@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think people(people includes me, I tihnk the majority of users are new to this stuff) still don't get that unless a certain instance de-federalizes others en masse, you're still gonna be able to access it's content and contribute from your instance.

Although, in general,I wouldn't be worried. Even if a certain instance is getting big, you are still not subject to the whims of some venture capitalist corp in silicon valley.

[–] hydra@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

still don't get that unless a certain instance de-federalizes others en masse, you're still gonna be able to access it's content and contribute from your instance. Sadly it just happened with beehaw.org, one large instance defederating another. That's a pretty big wall.

Although, in general,I wouldn't be worried. Even if a certain instance is getting big, you are still not subject to the whims of some venture capitalist corp in silicon valley. Sadly corporations love to control everything and always end up giving small startups offers that are too good to refuse and they either take it over or shelf it forever. I really don't want corporate control to return to the web. Reddit swallowed all the forums due to how convenient it was.

[–] Seismos@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I'm aware of beehaw defederating. However, you gotta see how it happened. They were completely transparent about why they did it, and that it's not permanent. Once moderation tools start to get added, we'll probably see re-federation.

[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think we'll see a bunch of the top communities gravitate towards a few instances, but the userbase will spread out over time. Right now people are going to the biggest, b/c they just want to get on and try it out. But over time as people learn how to work with this new system they'll venture out to others. I could see a lot of people eventually hosting their own instance just for their one user, but have no communities of its own.

But for communities, finding an instance that has the right rules and plugins available will lead them to looking for trusted servers to moderate them from. As long as what Beehaw's doing doesn't become a trend, it should be fine

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[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

we're doing fine here on kbin, a little too much growth tbh. lemmy.world is pretty active but it's not the only active instance :)

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