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Fetterman says TikTok creating ‘warped’ perceptions of Israel-Hamas war (thehill.com)

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago

Just from his huge switch pre-stroke from "progressives are the future, vote for me I'm a progressive" to openly complaining people think he's a progressive and multiple hard right views...

I really think he's one of the people that get big personality changes after a stroke.

My mom went the other way and became a much happier person and more sympathetic to issues facing others, unfortunately the change can happen either way.

It's either that, or he pulled a Sinema and just lied about being a progressive to get elected

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago

I think people may have been looking at him with rose-tinted glasses.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

multiple hard right views

I haven't seen any hard-right views from Fetterman.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Immigration and Israel would be the ones everyone is talking about now...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/john-fetterman-is-the-status-quo-in-gym-shorts.html

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

His immigration stance is bipartisan. Bernie himself wants to limit immigration. I'm a radical immigration proponent (wanna be a citizen and land in USA soil, I'd make you a citizen), but the reality is my opinion is deeply unpopular.

Sadly, protectionism is rampant in the Democratic party.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/25/21143931/bernie-sanders-immigration-record-explained

Israel is similarly bipartisan and not hard-right at all. 61% of Democrat voters support Biden's Israel stance, even if they think Israel is being too aggressive

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/17/democrats-israel-polls/

I absolutely guarantee you his constituents are higher than national average in favor of the policies he is stating.

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[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

I'm wondering if he's posturing for a future presidential run, and the party has told him that he needs to temper his progressive stances if he ever wants to run as a Democrat.

If so, definitely a bummer as he seemed like the exact type to not do that.

[-] Cal_@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I'm also curious how biased the information they are given during briefings is. I can totally see how the information the people have and the information presented (or not presented) in briefings could influence congresspeoples opinions.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 64 points 11 months ago

he's got a quarter million dollars of Israeli money in his pocket. I wonder if that might warp his fucking perception.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I doubt he was exactly lovey-dovey to Palestine before he got that money.

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[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

Media has been warping the perception of the genocide by Israel of Palestine for more than half a century.

[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Ignores apartheid. Ignores genocide. Ignores occupation. Claims the full history isnt represented on tiktok.

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 32 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I really want to hear senior Dem leadership tell the youth they’re listening to the “wrong” news sources about the Israel/Palestine conflict. /s

Is he in the pocket of AIPAC or simply never considered that support for Israel is support for genocide?

Get on the right side of history, dude.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 43 points 11 months ago

you consider him senior dem leadership?

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 25 points 11 months ago

I agree that Congress is not on the right side of history here, but he's not entirely wrong. Few people have nuanced views that say Israel and Hamas are bad, and instead try to oversimplify to give people a side to root for.

It's a clusterfuck of politics, war crimes, and ancient grudges, and Palestine is stuck between.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think there are more than a few people who feel that Israel and Hamas are both bad actors here.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago

I hope you're right, because that hasn't been my experience.

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[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Those of us who feel like both are to blame tend to be outshouted by the "I ALWAYS STAND WITH ISRAEL NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO" and the "HAMAS ARE JUST FREEDOM FIGHTERS SO ANYTHING THEY DO IS JUSTIFIED" groups. And if we speak up to point out that both groups have issues, we get attacked by both groups for not being on a side and especially for not being on their side.

One of the big problems with the Middle East is that it's a messy situation and people like simple narratives. They don't want to hear a hundred plus years of attacks, revenge attacks, generational trauma, etc. That's not easy to resolve. Instead, people want to know that A is always good and B is always bad. That's nice and simple and easy to fix. You just eliminate the bad people and all is well.

Sadly, the real world is rarely so black and white.

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

As an Irish person I can say with some experience that what Hamas is doing is not justified but it is pretty much inevitable. And unless Israel are really going to continue their genocide, all they've done is perpetuate this inevitability.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If Mike Tyson fought a 9 year old for calling him a bitch...

Yeah, they're both in the wrong. But post fight it wouldn't be rational to say they're both at equally at fault.

Especially if Mike didn't stop with that kid and just beat up every child in the room

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

I get what you're saying, but I think that analogy doesn't really capture the gravity of what happened. Both of them have committed egregious war crimes, which means people aren't just beat up, they're dead. Israel has certainly committed an order of magnitude more, but I don't think it does the victims justice to imply Israel is the big, strong adult who merely got kicked in the shins by Hamas.

I think your analogy could be improved if you changed the 9yo vs Mike Tyson to the 9yo's adult cousin who fights Mike Tyson for the family honor but also abuses the 9yo for fun. Still doesn't capture the gravity of the number of innocent people who have died, but it at least represents the parties involved a bit better.

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[-] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

You can be on the side of civilians. Pretty simple actually

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

I agree. I don't see other people (other than a relative few on the Fediverse) who see it that way, because they want a clear villain to defeat.

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[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Ok, I followed the happenings in Gaza via Tiktok, among other things. My perception is that the IDF bombs the shit out of the Gaza strip and nowhere is safe. 20000 people died, many more severly disfigured. What is wrong with my perception?

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Tiktok is highly partial in general. So are US Senators.

He's probably not wrong in this case though in the past the Chinese don't push one view, they push both extremes to purposefully create division (eg they fund both BLM and proud boys)

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

they fund both BLM and proud boys

Where can I find more about that?

[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 10 points 11 months ago

That's just basic psyops, Russia also has a successful history of propping up opposing factions.

Fear, uncertainty, and doubt [FUD] are tools to misinform people and erode trust in their social organizations, so that a malicious actor can divide and conquer their enemy

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

This feels quite familiar as a European. Political unrest seems to have increased drastically.

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[-] NAXLAB@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

It is.

But the accurate perception is also really bad. Israel is committing genocide

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

What about the UN? Is the OHCHR a warped perspective?

How about Reuters?

What's the limit? Because this is just the tip of the iceberg. We've got then using 2000 pound bombs in civilian areas on "tunnel entrances" they have no evidence were in use by Hamas. We've got then bombing hospitals and showing us standard security guard equipment for the middle east in an attempt to portray a military command post. They lied about a calendar that was plainly visible on the wall.

At what point do you admit they are purging the Warsaw ghetto?

[-] skhayfa@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

OK boomer

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