Foreigner

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[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Thank you, you were able to put the point I was trying to make much more succinctly and elegantly.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sorry for the delay, I've only just got the chance to sit down and reply. To your point about incels, how would you feel if someone making a meme saying "all women are gold-diggers". How do you react to incels saying things like women are trashy and only want trashy men and not good guys, or women are weak porcelain dolls and wouldn't survive without men. Would your reaction not be that not all women are like that? That most women aren't like that? This is the same shit, the genders are just reversed. Is it any less true if the rebuttal comes from a woman arguing in good faith vs an extremist TERF? I'm not defending incels, but if they sound the same as someone making a good faith rebuttal, maybe it makes young impressionable men and boys think they might have a point. And if they're right about that, what else might they be right about? This is exactly how people get sucked into cults and far right groups.

I feel your example with guns (while still a generalisation) is different from this kind of meme because it's about appealing to empathy. This meme is not doing that, it's using shame to supposedly get men to reflect and change. I argue it's not very effective, and there are way better ways to do this. You share one example - appeal to empathy. I've seen memes praising men for positive actions they take (e.g. green flag memes).

This kind of discourse is also harmful to transmac individuals. I've unfortunately seen trans men being ostracized from the very communities they relied on for support as soon as they 'pass'. Once they look just like other men, they are seen as a threat and are unwelcome. If this kind of divisive language and approach only impact those doing harm to women, then fine. But it's not and it's doing a bunch of collateral damage in the process.

It's shouldn't be hard to point out positive role models without resorting to belittling people. Most men have strengths (literally) most women don't - let's talk about how they can use those strengths to be a positive force in society. I see way more jokes and memes saying men are trash rather than talk about how they are can be important and positive part of the movement towards equality. Just like the LGBTQIA+ movement would never have made it as far as it did without the help of our allies (and trust me I'm not giving them most of the credit), we're never going to get equality and freedom across genders if we don't work on bringing men as our allies too.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

It's clear you're not going to change your mind on this, so I'm tapping out. My last appeal to you is, if your end goal is for women and men to be free of the patriarchy, you should focus on actions and messaging that work to change people's minds, and less on trying to be "right".

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Is defending people from unfair characterisation based solely on their gender "coddling" now? In the space of two comments you make the argument that the meme isn't about all men, then tar them all with the brush of "primary perpetrators". Do you really not see the problem? Yes, fight back against actual perpetrators, but don't use a machine gun in a crowded room and take a bunch of other people with them. There are other ways to convince men to fight against the patriarchy (of which they are also victims!).

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You may think no one is saying "all men", but I promise you I've seen this very discourse online and irl. My question to you is, what do you hope to achieve with these memes? To voice your anger, or change people's minds? I'm not defending those who perpetuate the patriarchy, but let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by alienating men who would otherwise be on our side if they didn't feel like they had to face an angry mob. Please, let's not use the same weapons used against us for millennia - it's not working and frankly I am concerned it is starting to actually backfire (see: young men throwing themselves into the arms of the far right). We are literally playing into the hands of those who want to divide us.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 76 points 5 days ago (24 children)

Lesbian here, so maybe not the target audience for this. However this kind of meme and discourse makes me somewhat uncomfortable. Like, really? Pedro Pascal is -the only nice guy- in the world, every other guy is trash? Too often I hear women speak about men as if they're inherently bad people, rather than victims of the patriarchy just like them. It reeks of "that's just the way men are" and "boys will be boys", except now it's being used to shame and admonish. Shame isn't going to change mindsets, it's only going to make people defensive. It's not as if men are genetically assholes, but these kinds of memes sure make it sound like they are.

It bothers me because I have a son who will grow up to become a man (at least that's how it's looking right now). I worry about what he internalises when he hears that people expect he'll grow up to be a sexist asshole, just because he was born a boy. I have to defend against that just like I defend my daughter when sexism is directed at her, because frankly that's exactly what it is. If I were told from a young age that the default expectation is I'll grow up to be trash just because I have a penis, why bother to do better? I'd probably also listen to the Tates and Petersons who make me feel good about myself instead.

I understand why women are angry and frustrated, they have every right to be. I've also been on the receiving end of sexist and frankly traumatic shit because I was born a girl. I just don't feel like it'll get any better by creating more division, more "us vs them".

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Honestly, I'm ok with where The Owl House ended. It would have been better to have a longer season, but I'm ok with where it ended, I got the closure I needed. There are however other animation shows I'm pissed ended way too soon:

  • Glitch Techs
  • Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart
  • Inside Job

These were all great shows that deserved better than what they got.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

written by Jesus on punchcards

I just want to say thank you for that line, it's beautiful. I'm absolutely going to steal it.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I never knew laundry could be so threatening.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of women don't want to sit on the toilet seat, for fear they'll get dirty or "catch something", so they hover and proceed to pee all over the toilet seat. Also men's toilets usually don't get exposed to menstrual blood and products. I can absolutely believe women's toilets are way more disgusting than men's.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

You're heteroflexible?

 

My son is starting to get into Warhammer and so far he's learned the mechanics of Age of Sigmar, but he still isn't sure what road to go down. Normally he'd go for whatever my brother in law is into (he introduced him to MTG, obviously the gateway drug) but he's not deep into Warhammer yet (BiL was gifted a Necromunda squad) so my son will have to figure it out for himself.

Assuming most people here picked 40k over Age of Sigmar, I'm curious to know what motivated your choice? He's painted a few random figurines he was gifted, but is now giving serious thought into going further. We'd welcome any tips on where to start!

 

A resident Tawny Owl sitting cosy in their nest. The photo was taken last week in Paris, this particular nest has been used by tawny owls for at least 10 years (likely the same owl?)

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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Foreigner@lemmy.world to c/superbowl@lemmy.world
 

@anon6798@lemmy.world is singlehandedly keeping this place alive so I thought I'd also participate and share a photo I took last month. This is a burrowing owl I photographed on the grounds of a hotel in Brasilia. A couple of these guys made their burrow in a little ~~hole~~ hill at the bottom of the garden and were seemingly unbothered by hotel guests that were walking past. I have a couple of other shots but this is my favourite. Thanks for all your superb owl posts anon6789!

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