Well that leaves me with mixed feelings.
Thread itself doesn't need Internet connectivity, but thread seems to almost always be paired with matter, which does (during provisioning).
I like that matter provisioning requires verification of their certificate, but I don't like that certificates can expire or the certificate authority can shut down. Although maybe that's all taken care of by the DCL? In which case that'd be fine.
It seems similar in purpose to pangolin, how do they differ?
Can you explain a bit more about the setup?
Like would just using a VPS with pangolin secure tunnel work? Or does it have to be a vpn for some other reason?
Asking because maybe the question really boils down to the VPS provider with the best data transfer rates
If you're just starting to build out, what about using thread instead of zigbee or zwave?
If you're getting a VPS I'd generally recommend getting pangolin. It's basically like cloudflared tunnels, but self hosted (on the vps). It works the same, you use it to map your subdomains to IPs on the other end of the secure tunnel.
It has things like user access controls for each of the subdomains, the ability connect it to an identity provider, rules governing which paths need authentication and which don't, etc.
It can optionally come preconfigured with crowedsec, but I had problems with it falsely classifying my normal traffic as an attack and banning my IPs.
Just be aware that even if your service has a login page, you first need to log into pangolin to be granted access to the service, and although that's fine on the web (especially if you're using an sso), some native apps don't like the extra login. Homeassistant handles it better now, but I haven't gotten jellyfin native android app working yet.
I agree except crowedsec. The apps I use were frequently phoning home, causing all my devices to get banned by crowedsec. Setting up rules around it was just too painful so I got rid of it.
Gonna look into if I can set up fail2ban with it instead
Becoming old
Sometimes I can be kinda pedantic
That's the definition of an egg, not chicken egg.
There is no universally accepted definition, that defines it by the creature that laid it or the creature that hatches from it.
If there was, this dilemma wouldn't exist and there wouldn't be any debate.
An addendum to 4:
We could be one of the first, so life is unusually sparse during this period of time.
The universe is old, but it takes a lot to build up the components needed for life as we know it. The first two generations of stars wouldn't have created the exotic materials in quantitie we needed to seed a world with the requirements for life.
And life couldn't have realistically happened much faster in a 3rd generation system than it did in our system.
There are some very old 3rd Gen stars, but it's less common and iirc they're not close to us.
Tldr
This is early phases, life is going to get more common over the next few billion years.
The amazing thing about imagination is it doesn't need to be consistent or based in reality. People can typically imagine such things.
For example, I can imagine an elephant disguised as a normal sized human in a trench coat, because within my imagination, hammerspace can exist.
As such, I can imagine an egg that has every single property of a chicken egg; look, flavour, size, smell, colour, etc, such that it was absolutely indistinguishable from a chicken egg until it miraculously hatched an alligator. I extremely strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of people would have understood what was meant by the thought experiment.
And literally you're just asserting you're correct by fiat. The people on the other side make the exact same argument about their side. You seem to be missing that this entire dilemma hinges on the fact that there is no specific definition for "chicken egg", so to claim you're correct by definition is baseless afaict.
The best argument I've seen so far is that the entire dilemma doesn't even make sense since the chicken is the egg; it's the same animal just in different phases of its life, therefore one cannot come before the other; it'd be like saying "which came first, the chicken or the other chicken?". But that comes dangerously close to the question of when life begins, so gonna try to avoid that.
She is so proud of me, she tells everyone
My understanding is that that is because Google and Apple want to onboard it to their own home automation platforms, and HomeAssistant just piggybacked on that because it was easier, and it hasn't been a priority to rewrite it. But this is based on a few old threads I just looked up, I'm not exactly an expert.
I think there was some talk about Bluetooth onboarding, but that'd require the devices to have a Bluetooth radio, which is more expensive that a QR code sticker. Idk if anyone uses it.
Having something like a WEP button would certainly be nice though.