[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

Defending language and human expression by arbitrarily limiting the scope of what should be considered valid language and expression.

The linguistic niche that emojis fill is the same niche that is filled by emblems, which are a powerful tool for communicating specific ideas very concisely and have existed long before the internet. If pictures are too childish and regressive for this guy, then I suppose they want a world without bright red hexagonal stop signs and railroad crossing markers and would instead prefer traffic control markers be replaced with plain text billboards containing the relevant legal codes written in plain text.

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

"Israel made it pretty simple: The collective punishment of Gaza which falls very cleanly under the definition of a war crime will end once the only leverage Palestinians have to deter even more brutal aggression is released."

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

We've somehow found an even more exonerative tone than "Officer involved shooting"

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago

mismanagement

When talking about the US, it's more often correct to assume malice rather than incompetence

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 53 points 11 months ago

"You can't just say America always bad, what about when they're on the good side?"

Well what makes them on the good side?

"They're fighting against the bad guys like Russia/China"

Okay, well you can't just always say Russia Bad China Bad, what about when they're on the good side?

"Well what makes them on the good side?"

Well weakening the global military empire of the US is a good start, since that global military empire currently is the primary mechanism through which global capitalist imperialism is enforced onto the world at gunpoint, and anything that breaks the hegemonic control of that global military empire gives breathing room to liberation struggles around the world.

"Okay, but you can't support dictators just because they weaken America"

Why not?

"Because what if America is on the good side?"

What makes them on the good side?

"Because they're fighting against the bad guys."

Repeat Ad Infinitum.

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[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

Where did you get this idea that blood is being spilt for a "Holy Land."

This is not a war between different religions. There are Palestinian Jews who are just as oppressed under Israel's apartheid regime as Palestinian Muslims are.

Palestinian armed resistance is an entirely justified response to a settler-colonial regime occupying Palestinian territory, tearing native Palestinians out of their homes so that they could be given to colonizers, massacring the native population and stripping them of rights in an ongoing project of ethnic cleansing and genocide over the last ~75 years. Nothing about this is a holy war, Israel is a settler-colonial state that has been militarily occupying Palestinian land, relegating Palestinians into a status of second class citizens in their own homes and ushering them into what are effectively open air prisons in places like the Gaza Strip where they are unable to leave from, all while their labor is exploited to make the lives of the Zionist colonizers more comfortable.

This war is a response to decades of extreme oppression. This is not two groups of roughly equal standing bickering with each other, this is is a brutal military occupation financed by the largest military empire in the history of the world so that the US military can have a technologically advanced military ally in the middle east, fighting against the people who have had their land stolen and lives torn apart who are trying to mount an armed resistance to the injustice they have been forced to live under for generations.

There is absolutely no possible world where this is an issue where "both sides" are at fault. Different religious factions will be able to co-exist when it is Palestinian land once again. There is no co-existence with a settler-colonial state whose existence is predicated on the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the native population, theft of their land, and exploitation of their labor as colonial subjects/second-class citizens living under and apartheid regime.

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

There are a lot of good reasons why someone might fight the British empire so it's a true testament to American ingenuity that they managed to find an evil reason

"Americans can be trusted to do the right thing, after they've exhausted every other option"

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

And what conclusions does that interest draw you towards?

Do you think that contextualizing something to show how Navalny is exceptional equates to an endorsement of what Navalny is being compared to?

The only reason this comparison is being made is because of how often Navalny is promoted as an alternative to and preferable opposition candidate to Putin in liberal spaces.

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

Damn, and they're blaming the Estrogen? If the Estrogen was at fault, wouldn't cis women display the same outcomes?

Couldn't possibly be that there is a confounding variable that they are forgetting to control for. Such as transmisogyny and social discrimination causing trans people to have fewer economic opportunities resulting in lower economic status and less access to social resources such as healthcare, and higher rates of discrimination and inadequate treatment as a result when healthcare services are accessible.

Socio-economic status and discrimination has an impact on all measures of health, some of the most impactful being access to proper nutrition, the amount of stress a person has to manage, and the quality of care and social support a person has access to.

But of course, we're scientists here! Health could never be a social issue with social causes! Being trans must be bad for innate biological reasons, which is a scientifically objective conclusion untainted by the bias of society. /s

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

You could, I don't know, actually argue with the points you disagree with and articulate the rationale you used to arrive at your conclusions instead of doing this whole "oh ho ho you actually believe a thing I disagree with how fascinating" shtick.

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The problem with language is that the only thing required for a definition to be "correct" is for that definition to be in common use. That's just how language works.

You can try to fight against that, and lead a never ending struggle to halt the conversation and say, "no no, the Real definition is this!" every time someone uses a definition that conflicts with the definition you use. But at some point fighting against semantic drift and taking a stubbornly prescriptivist stance on how words should be defined is a fruitless battle that doesn't actually help you communicate those ideas more clearly. Instead, you should adopt a different communication strategy that is less prone to misunderstandings.

There are so many different and contradictory understandings of what it means to be "progressive" "leftist" "liberal" "socialist" "communist" and so on that it's impossible to create a definition that everyone agrees on. Even if you correctly incorporate things like historical origin, first recorded use, and the context in which a world was popularized when evaluating how you define those terms, those things don't actually help communicate your thoughts more clearly. Which should ideally be the mechanical function that language facilitates.

Part of the issue is that those words are very broad and general, and encompass a wide variety of competing schools of thought who all nonetheless identify themselves using these umbrella terms. Of course some of the disagreement over definitions comes from bad actors deliberately mischaracterizing these things for propagandistic/rhetorical purposes, but even if that wasn't the case umbrella terms such as these are inherently more prone to semantic drift over time.

A better strategy for communicating political ideas is to use terms that are much more specific in context, such as Marxism. Of course, Marxism has the same problem of bad actors intentionally mischaracterizing what Marxism is, but because Marxism is a much more specific thing it is much easier to resolve disputes over contradictory definitions. This is because there is an authoritative source you can refer back to in order to resolve conflicts and disagreements over definitions. Because Marxism is defined by the collected body of work authored by Marx (as well as those who contributed to that body of work and expanded upon that work over the years), it is much easier to have a conversation with agreed upon definitions by referencing that body of work.

Edit: But to get back on topic and define socialism, "Socialism is when the government does stuff."

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago

"If I simply project even harder, we can imagine a made-up scenario where I am the reasonable one. Checkmate!"

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This post is being made in response to the ~*discourse*~ that has been going on around China and Xinjiang.

A lot of hedging on either side of this debate has to do with the definition of genocide. The whole "oh, there's no mass killings, but maybe the situation fits the definition of cultural genocide," and that sort of of rhetoric.

TL;DR what I'm going to try to do in this post is define genocide, what the history of that definition is and why it matters to this discussion, and show why it is not in anyway applicable to the situation in Xinjiang outside of its value as atrocity propaganda used to manufacture consent for some kind of intervention/war.


Part 1, Lets get into definitions

I'm going to be pulling a lot from the BadEmpanada video titled " The Problem with Genocide " for this part, and in the video notes he provides a good number of sources that you can follow if you want to do further reading on the history of this term.

The popular and commonly accepted definition of genocide is the mass murder of a specific ethnic, religious, or other marginalized group, in an attempt to eliminate that group. And in the popularly accepted definition, mass murder is considered to be an essential part of ruling something as a genocide or not.

The problem is that this definition of genocide is significantly altered and much more narrow from how it was originally defined. The term genocide was first coined by the polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin. What caused him to become interested in defining a legal term for what we now call genocide was that he "noticed many historical instances of attempts to eradicate entire peoples or cultures, but there was no specific term for such acts. So he spent most of the 1930s trying to conceptualize a crime that would encompass them." What he noticed is that these acts were unique in their motivation and scale, and that the group that carried out these crimes were themselves nation states, or in high offices within nation states, or were being carried out on behalf of an in the interests of the nation state or whoever was in the ruling party at the time. What this called for, Lemkin reasoned, was a law that was international in scope and could be enforced internationally, since any national law would simply be ignored by that ruling party that was carrying out the genocide.

As far as what actions would be included in the legal definition, Lemkin was very broad in defining what should fall under the umbrella of genocide. To quote Lemkin,

"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group.

The following illustration will suffice. The confiscation of property of nationals of an occupied area on the ground that they have left the country may be considered simply as a deprivation of their individual property rights. However, if the confiscations are ordered against individuals solely because they are Poles, Jews, or Czechs, then the same confiscations tend to weaken the national entities of which those persons are members.

Genocide has two phases: one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor."


"In the incorporated areas, such as western Poland, Eupen, Malmédy and Moresnet, Luxemburg, and Alsace-Lorraine, local institutions of self-government were destroyed and a German pattern of administration imposed. Every reminder of former national character was obliterated. Even commercial signs and inscriptions on buildings, roads, and streets, as well as names of communities and of localities, were changed to a German form. Nationals of Luxemburg having foreign or non-German first names are required to assume in lieu thereof the corresponding German first names; or, if that is impossible, they must select German first names. As to their family names, if they were of German origin and their names have been changed to a non-German form, they must be changed again to the original German. Persons who have not complied with these requirements within the prescribed period are liable to a penalty, and in addition German names may be imposed on them. Analogous provisions as to changing of names were made for Lorraine."


"The Jews were immediately deprived of the elemental means of existence. As to the Poles in incorporated Poland, the purpose of the occupant was to shift the economic resources from the Polish national group to the German national group. Thus the Polish national group had to be impoverished and the German enrichsed. This was achieved primarily by confiscation of Polish property under the authority of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germanism. But the process was likewise furthered by the policy of regimenting trade and handicrafts, since licenses for such activities were issued to Germans, and only exceptionally to Poles. In this way, the Poles were expelled from trade, and the Germans entered that field."

source: Axis Rule in Occupied Europe," Raphael Lemkin 1941


And to sum up Lemkin:

"Thus, Lemkin defined genocide in terms of the violation of a nation's right to its collective existence - genocide in this sense is quite simply the destruction of a nation. Such destruction can be achieved through the 'mass killings of all members of a nation,' or through 'a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups.'"

source: Australia: A Continuing Genocide?," Damien Short 2010


What we can see from these definitions and descriptions is that there is no separation or distinction between genocide carried out via mass killings, and genocide carried out through means of "cultural genocide." Lemkin made no distinction between these two things, and considered all of these as sufficient criteria for prosecuting something as a genocide. Methods of forced assimilation, destruction of local culture, language, national identifiers, as well as economic discrimination. Any of these actions were sufficient to rule something as a genocide on their own, with no need to be accompanied by mass killings.

At least, that is how Lemkin defined the crime, and that is the legal definition that he fought for when bringing the matter up to international bodies like the UN when he was advocating for genocide to be adopted as an international crime that was subject to UN backed intervention. Here is where definitions of genocide start to diverge.

Lemkin obviously prioritized having a criminal code for genocide that had international backing, otherwise it was unenforceable. This became a problem when a large number of UN member nations refused to sign off on any definition of genocide that included political, economic, social, and cultural marginalization of national groups as being categorized as a genocide, as well as techniques like forced assimilation of national groups to the cultural/legal/institutional norms of the dominant national group.

The reason for this push back is that UN member nations were concerned that a definition of genocide that categorized those things as genocidal could be used to prosecute their own governments for genocidal behavior based on how they treated national groups in their own borders as well as through colonial/neo-colonial influences.

Lemkin fought bitterly to keep these criteria in the "official" UN definition of genocide, but ultimately relented and accepted a definition that was much more limited in scope. This was because he needed enough nations to sign onto the declaration in order for it to be enforceable by an international body, and he figured that having a law with a very limited scope was better than nothing.

And this is where the modern definition of genocide comes from, and why "cultural genocide" is commonly considered to be a separate category rather than an essential criteria for classifying something as a genocide. It comes from a process where the criminals were allowed to define the crime, and therefore ensure that they could avoid prosecution.

This definition comes from the UN genocide convention in 1948, which limits the definition of genocide to the following:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

(continued in the comments)

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Some rabid anti-communist told be to read this book as proof of a Soviet genocide in Ukraine.

I did a quick search and saw it being passed around and referenced in anti-communists circles like /r/ENOUGHCOMMIESPAM, but I haven't seen any leftist evaluations of this book or this author. So is anyone familiar with this, and how seriously should I take it?

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