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My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That is not a reason someone comes to on their own.

Yea it honestly didn't even sound like him. I'll have a read through that thread, thanks a bunch!

My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

Really hoping he takes me up on it. I think I'd probably just cut him out of my life if he joins up. I dunno... feels like I've just lost my brother.

My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Yea... he's just turned 21 and went to one of those online high schools. Pretty narrow view of the world and very lonely. I should've put more effort in keeping in better touch with him over the years

My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

I actually read this one a few days ago. Was on my mind when I was talking to him. So fucking bleak... I don't really have a great sense anymore of what the average american's views are on ICE vs the military? My assumption is that ICE is viewed as "much more evil" by your average person whereas the military is largely worshiped outside of leftists? Maybe that's changed a bit since I moved.

My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What does he think the military is? Free bed and breakfast in an exotic tourist spot?

Pretty sure that's roughly what he's picturing. He vaguely knows they've done plenty of bad things, but doesn't see them as fundamentally a force of evil. I think I need to focus on dispelling this illusion.

Ask if he would shoot a child if someone asked him to

I'm considering this approach, but I worry being too harsh will just push him away from his "crazy communist brother". Ultimately, I don't think I'm going to turn him into a principled anti-imperialist over night, but maybe I can convince him that the military is a lot worse than he realizes as well as it not being in his best interest anyway? Like maybe if I focused on showing how a lot of veterans regret their decisions.

Men think that they will get some masculinity reset by joining the military when working a service job at McDonalds is far more brave and respectable

Absolutely. In his case I'm not sure how much is actually motivated by masculinity. Certainly some of it, but I think with him it's the structure and feeling of purpose. Like I honestly think he would agree that working at McDonalds is more brave, but would just say he's not very brave... I could be totally wrong about this though.

My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He tried doing a bit of online community college, but it didn't go very well. I think a combination of not knowing what to do with his life and being depressed from being stuck in a pretty shit home environment. I'm hoping I can convince him to come live with me for a bit or at least give him some option to move out and maybe in that time he'll be able to think more clearly about what he'd like to be doing.

My brother might join the military in c/chat@hexbear.net
[–] helpwithbrother@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago

Fuck I'm really sorry to hear that... thank you so much for the resources this is really helpful!

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My brother might join the military (hexbear.net)
 

Not the PLA either... amerikkka

Made a new account to hopefully minimize self-doxing, but here's some background. I haven't lived with him in 10 years and I left the country 4 years ago. We don't really talk all that often, but he had messaged me with some questions about photography and then brought it up.

I said something like "I'm sure you're aware I don't have a very fond opinion of the military". He said "I'm not too enthused with the idea either, but I need the security and discipline that it will provide while I try to find something to dedicate myself to and I've been in this dead end job for about 2 years and my soul is decaying".

I told him he can come live with me, that it's easy to get a 1 year visa and I'd happily pay for flights and I have a spare room. He said he'd think about it but "needs physical activity and more friends and connection in general". I tried to explain that I go climbing multiple days a week, volunteer for search and rescue, and play board games with friends every week that he'd be able to hang out with.

I get the impression though that he thinks visiting would just be putting his problems on hold for a year; maybe he's right about that, but I think living somewhere other than our shit hometown would give him a lot of perspective on the world and help him maybe realize that what he actually needs is a community of some kind. I don't want him to make a huge fucking mistake because he feels hopeless and gets pressured into it by our conservative step dad or some recruiter or whatever.

I also briefly tried explaining some issues with the US military, but it's a bit hard to undo decades of american "education" in one conversation. He said "my moral code is also not nearly as strong as yours, and I have very little strong feelings toward very much at all outside of just trying to be a good person". I assume he reached out to me because he's having some doubts.

Anyway I tried to make it super clear that if he wanted to come live with me or if he wanted to do a work visa somewhere else I'd pay flights and anything else and help in any way I can; I'm not rich, but I have a small emergency savings.

I think I've heard there are organizations of leftist / anti-imperialist veterans? Maybe one of them has information I could send him. Any advice or ideas would be appreciated.