mrnobody

Ok, thank you. A sensible response.

I think their appeal and approach is to target newbies to the whole privacy thing. They can replace much of the "Gooplesoft" ecosystems (just made that up that word lol) with their own version, offer support for those who're learning/trucks migrating, etc. Maybe they overheard someone talk about it, are curious, or don't know all the terminology in the FOSS community, or get overwhelmed easily.

I will forever plug Proton (unless they change) to friends and family as it's a "big name" doing big tech, better.. then they have proton support to rely on, not me lol.

Hahaha, please, do share why their products suck, especially the people running it! I'd love to hear something fresh other than claiming the CEO is some trumpster because of some ruin fill interpretation of a god damn tweet... Petty

Lol at you both! First, I think you need help with your dictionaries because you're using the complete wing terminology.... That or you're super dramatic calling it ransomware LMAO. You're probably also those types who jump to comment at anything CG just to post AI slop... Like how back in the day it was cool to post "first" on something.

There are free tiers and paid tiers, and sounds like OP was trying to work around those free tiers to get a few extra benefits. If not, and genuinely trying to use a certain way, why not contact support to try and get access to that data even temporarily, or go to community forum to see if it's by design? Why not look for a proper resolution vs just complaining about it?

BTW I can completely understand the frustrations, but you gotta also understand not every single company or dev is going to use the same exact method, designs, goals, etc. Proton, starting from scientists not business entrepreneurs. They decided to build a suite of apps as alternatives to the popular big brother versions, the paid tiers help support the free ones so everyone could have access. The money also helps fund staff support, devs, qa, etc. Just saying. There's a lot more polish on those apps than pretty much any actually free and private so out there. And having the support there to answer questions vs rely solely on wordy documentation or community forums is now speaking to the average Joe.

So then, like many people, make the switch without being so vocally negative? Or post a comparison on how KeePass vs Proton- KP wins, etc.

Even more, Proton and other companies like them are a good popular gateway to introduce "the masses" to privacy and what it feels like to reclaim their personal lives. It also gives them a "big" name they can put some faith into that the apps will work/won't crash, and aren't invasive. So much other marketing and money is spent telling everyone the little guys are the hackers and data thieves, etc. So don't trust them. So, the mentality is hard to shake.

I sound like the kind of person who understands how business models work (to an extent). Not every single person is going to setup full homelab environments to run all these locally hosted services, or spend a while researching and testing various FOSS applications to try and get "the very best"one. You sound like the kind of person who has a very stern opinion and gets upset when others don't agree or your shouting doesn't get them to understand why an alternative is better.

I work with a lot of users who don't understand the basics of privacy or how data is sucked up at every corner of the Internet. I slowly plant the seeds to show them big names aren't always better. Little by little they're finding these things (popular little guys) on their own, and in that discovery keeps their interests piqued vs being told what to do.

Ok, but that's sort of extreme, because I could buy, RIGHT now, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz for about $140. You're showing off a retailer and/or brand that are gouging, just to prove a point.

Now, yes there's a difference, because this is so-dimm for laptops vs standard desktop, but Newegg and Amazon are both gouging process pretty bad right now. But deals can still be found!

Edit apples to apples (though my post is 3600MHz)

I might install it just for Hover!

You have to admit, there are plenty of people either on Reddit (especially) or Lemmy, that seem to crack on/bash on certain companies or views on topics as a heard mentality. I'm guilty of it in the past bc I wanted to trust the heard, but after doing my own research have found whatever it was to not be so bad.

I've not been here long, but man, the amount of hate I've seen towards proton so far is crazy.

Damn, imagine a kick from this dude while on horseback! I'd almost wonder if impaling someone while moving fast would risk breaking your own ankle if you couldn't retract your foot fast enough.

Dude, jfc calm down. You pay a little money to get premium services, instead of them monetizing user data. This is the way the world works with paid software, except they're not making money on your data and you, just you.

Maybe some context in what exactly you pay for would help too. I'm assuming you pay for a base tier of mail, bc I use their password manager too but pay for the full suite, and don't have this issue.

Maybe also a chat with support might find this to be an unexpected bug, but instead you're coming to Lemmy to the echo chamber of hate on proton which won't help.

How'd they do it? Contract ended or petition?

Amen. We all drive cars older than 2015, and I've gone against anything newer.

The other issue is all those Flock cameras all over our state and surrounding areas, is almost impossible to not be tracked. I didn't consent to those being used by or municipal or city.

I'm sick of being data points on a spreadsheet!!

We're a SMB so I kind of get to do what I want, within reason. But yeah a lot of corporate bullshit with tech doesn't make any sense! I'm not here to blow through videos with stupid high spending and all the monitoring stuff. Just lock it down you'll be fine. I'm simplifying of course, but still.