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For context, in my password manager I had tried formatting some of my entrees so that it would contain the usual username and password, but instead of creating whole new entrees for the security questions for the same account, I just added additional fields in the same entree in order to keep things a little more tidy.

I was not expecting that doing so would result in later being shaken down by Proton to pay even more money just to access the same few bytes of fucking text I had trusted them with. This is sleazy as fuck and I am dropping these idiots entirely.

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[–] Fokeu@lemmy.zip 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Use keepassXC instead. You don't need any kind of cloud for a password manager. Keepass database can by synchronized between devices with syncthing. Safer and free forever

[–] addictedtosongtitles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bitwarden offers this feature for free using custom fields, although 2FA is paid unless you self-host IIRC

[–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vaultwarden is a great self hosted bitwarden clone

I haven't personally hosted it myself but I've heard it's pretty good, also worth vouching for KeePass based on my time with it

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that's where entrees go.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hypothetically it should have. Those were additional fields that I added to the main account login entree, in order to keep all the relevant data in one place.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 minutes ago

Strange, I keep my entrees covered in the fridge and take them out about one hour before guests show up.

Because a bunch of dementia patients started leaving 1 star review as they kept on forgetting their passwords

[–] babyfarmer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Have you considered upgrading to Proton Lux™?

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you still access the info by hitting edit? It was possible last time I checked. Even so, yeah, I'm thinking a transition to bitwarden is not a bad idea.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago

According to other comments in this thread, Bitwarden does similar crap. I went back to Keepass.

As for the data, luckily it was for an account I don't need or use anymore, so I just deleted everything and moved on.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pretty sure the warning signs were apparent when the CEO submitted to Trump. it just his "personal beliefs" and not representative of the company. Right.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The CEO was lobbying for online privacy by publicly shaming the Democrats. He was doing his job.

[–] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Wait the Democrats respond to public shaming? At this point I thought they got off on it. He was doing his job but, he was kissing fascist ass just like Google, Microsoft, and Apple have not lobbying for privacy.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why is it that just doing their job excuse or just following orders tends to be associated with questionable actions as opposed to positive ones? It's starting to seem like a red flag if those two phrases get used for an action.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He made a mean tweet about the Democrats, it's not like he loaded bullets into ICE guns.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Complimentary remarks to Republicans depicting them as a party open to being privacy respecting and respect for the rule of law. Took the Joe Rogan hand book of trying to sane wash the Republicans and downplay concerns regarding them while trying to come off as moderate.

And it aged terribly. Someone who went to Harvard and spent significant time in the US wasn't blind to what those way less educated than him saw when it came to the direction the US was headed towards before Trump officially took office.

He was rightfully criticized because Trump never hid his intentions during the election, so people were not impressed by the pandering like all the current tech bros part of the Trump inner circle.

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 113 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Download BitWarden and be done with it.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keepass is tried and true, I'm going back to Keepass.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago

Welcome back 👍

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[–] hector@lemmy.today 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know someone that signed up for an account with them, they froze it immediately for suspicious activity. He does nothing with that IP address, reads, social media, that's it. No way to get off the shit list without giving up personal information like a phone number and or alternate email and no guarentee that would fix it.

Their IP was on a blacklist from some shady company for some strange reason. But other companies let you write the company and plead your case, proton does not.

They further suspended a bunch of accounts based on some half baked unproven accusations by the government(s) if I recall.

They aren't trustworthy, they will give you up at the first sign of friction it appears.

[–] unsettlinglymoist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That happened to me. I wasn't even on a VPN when I created my first and only Proton account, and within minutes they restricted it so I couldn't send any mail. They said I would have to upgrade to a paid account if I wanted to send mail.

I would never trust Proton after that. I'm just glad they immediately restricted my account instead of waiting until I'd switched everything over.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Check your ip against the lists of blacklists, there are sites that do it directly from the search page, there are a few dozen blacklists supposedly for spam and the like.

I suspect israel critics get dropped on them. A brazillian firm did the one we found.

[–] unsettlinglymoist@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Interesting theory and I've definitely made posts and comments critical of Israel. I've switched ISPs since creating that Proton account and I wonder if they'd restrict me again (not going to try though).

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

??? I use Proton mail and I never saw something like this. Account with nick, other mail, password and go.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's in Proton Pass. When you create an account entree, there is an option to create additional fields that you can name and fill out, kind of like multiple notes in one file. Somehow I was able to create those fields on my account just fine, but then to be given access to that data it turned out that I had to upgrade my account. In other words they duped me into entering data at no extra cost, but then charged me to access that same data later on.

[–] brooke592@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

That's scummy as fuck.

I guarantee they do that on purpose just like all other scams that make you invest your time before telling you you need to pay.

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bitwarden ! Host it yourself.

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago

Vaultwarden 😎

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

KeepassXC + Syncthing has worked fine for me for a few years. Sure, it's a bit of a hassle and not exactly perfect, but nothing is. I have control over my data and I don't have to pay anyone anything, that's enough for me.

Also, tasty entrees 🤤

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I use KeepassXC with rclone, and that works well too.

Good tip, thanks

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[–] mrnobody@reddthat.com 73 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Dude, jfc calm down. You pay a little money to get premium services, instead of them monetizing user data. This is the way the world works with paid software, except they're not making money on your data and you, just you.

Maybe some context in what exactly you pay for would help too. I'm assuming you pay for a base tier of mail, bc I use their password manager too but pay for the full suite, and don't have this issue.

Maybe also a chat with support might find this to be an unexpected bug, but instead you're coming to Lemmy to the echo chamber of hate on proton which won't help.

[–] ttyybb@lemmy.world 124 points 2 days ago

I won't say your wrong, but IMHO it's unacceptable for a password manager to not warn you that information you give will be inaccessible without paying more money. Imagine if someone gave you 30 free entries before requiring a subscription, but let you add any number of accounts. Unless you want to reset all those passwords, your forced to pay them.

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