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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/32579791

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/movies/best-movies-21st-century.html

28. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan, 2008)

Indifference to superheroes isn’t a prerequisite for making a great film about them. But Christopher Nolan’s allergy to comic-book logic and his infatuation with the grown-up crime movie canon (especially “Heat” and “The Godfather”) revitalized a character still laboring to emerge from the miasma of “Batman & Robin.” The second entry and high-water mark of Nolan’s “Dark Knight” trilogy poses fruitful questions about the naïveté of its protagonist’s moral code. But the film’s greatest asset is Heath Ledger, whose staggering performance as the Joker set the bar for subsequent supervillains forever.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/32355918

https://twitter/ .com/mattreevesLA/status/1938666651991585133

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/31636839

I still remember seeing it in the theater and being so hyped after the ending.

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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/64153416

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So, currently the whole Batman movie franchise is kinda deadish. So I figure it's time for a reboot.

And I figure that if you just release another dark gravelly voiced Batman it won't stand out against it's previous incarnations.

So what I think is it should be more along the lines of if a comic book from the 80s, met with the 90s animated show......except it's live action. But the camera framing, and Batman's personality are more comic book than theatrical. Even in the 1989 Batman, he was posing, and doing movie stuff.

This would be a movie where the city itself is dark and brooding, Batman is dark and brooding, but the rest of the elements of the movie are not.

The story would actually center around Commisioner Gordon. He's trying to work together with attorney Harvey Dent in prosecuting Selina Kyle....a high level cat burglar who was caught stealing a priceless diamomd necklace.

But during their meeting bullets reign on the windows of the office. Gordon and Dent duck behind the desk, and avoid any fatal injuries. And that's when a bomb is thrown into the room. They try to run out of the room, and Gordon escapes, but Dent is badly burned on half his body.

Every cop in the building pours out of the building, guns drawn to find no one. The only thing they find is a burning red flag thats held on the door by a knife.

And that's the basis of the film. Gordon trying to do his job, and occasionally meeting up with Batman, but is being targeted by an unknown assasin who keeps intentionally not killing Gordon, but leaving behind two things. The first is the transformation of a new super villain (so we see the rise of the penguin, two-face, catwoman, bane) but also a burning red flag stabbed onto a nearby surface with a knife. Never any finger prints.

Gordon is INSISTANT that this is the work of the Joker, and has his cell at Arkham Asylum placed under extra security. And everytime he's shown video evidence of Joker not only not leaving his cell, but also having a minimum of 20 eye witnesses at all times. Despite Gordons insistance, it WASN'T Joker.

Batman knows it's not Joker. Joker would target innocent civilians. Use them as hostages. Whoever is targeting Gordon is being very deliberate.

At the same time, all of these new super villains are causing chaos for Batman. He's having to go stop Two-Face, and Riddler, and Mr Freeze, and Bane, and Penguin.....and all these other super villains that are coming from the aftermath of various attempts to kill Gordon in a way that feel deliberately failed.

So while Batman is off fighting those villains, we pop in from time to time to see his fights, but our perspective is with Gordon. He is trying to get a handle on things, and that's who we follow.

The whole thing feels like a game of chess. Just to get Gordon into positions that are more and more vunerable. Easier to attack him from every angle. Making it more obvious by the minute that he doesn't even know who his attacker is, but he's so exposed that the lethal blow could come from any angle, at any moment, without warning. Still Gordon presses on.

Thats when Batman swoops in, grabs him, and swoops him to a far away safety. Up high in the shadows. In the rafters of an industrial plant.

Gordon is scared out of his mind, but says they must press on. They must find the man trying to kill him, and cause chaos in the city. That's when Batmsn says "But Commisioner...you've already found him." And pushes Gordon off the ledge, into a vat of acid below. Then swings off crashing through the window, as the building explodes.

Fade to black. To be continued.

And the second movie, would retell all of those events from Batmans perspective. We'd see him fight all those fights we missed out on. And in the end, we'd see Batman stalk the assasin, and realize that the reason he was targeting Gordon so much was to distract the city resources from prosecuting criminals. This guy was hired by a mob boss, who was sick of his low level crime thwarted. So the mob boss was able to take blood of batman from previous encounters with the joker, and clone his DNA. Essentially creating a clone Batman. But instead of dressing like Batman, he just posseses Batmans traits. Such as athletism, and dectective work. He is every bit as skilled and intelligent as Batman. Wearing all black, with a red cape. And to leave a calling card,he rips off his cape, stabs it to a nearby wall, and sets it on fire.

Batman figures out the only way to get this guy to come out of hiding is to fake Gordons death. So he swoops Gordon into an industrial plant, pushes Gordon off the ledge into a vat of acid, and leaps out before this red cape blows the building up. What red cape never sees is Gordon submerged in the vat of acid. He only sees Batman and Gordon go in, but only Batman come out. The acid isn't harmful at all, and saves Gordon. But from his perdpective, Batman is his attempted killer.

This leads to a fight scene with red cape and Batman. Maybe on some rooftops. You see the fight end when red cape falls to his death.

It's only after the media report on what happened that Gordon speaks to Batman again.

And when asked why Batman tricked him, Batman tells Gordon "I needed you dead. But more importantly, I needed you safe. If anyone, even you, knew that you were working with me, the attacks would have continued. With you dead, and also afraid of me, I knew you'd go into hiding, and thus not seen."

That's when they leave the alley, only to see in the distance a red burning cape, stabbed onto a wall.

Fade to black.

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Woah! Holy 🦇 💩! Huge!

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Did anyone else pick up and read issue #1? I did, but was somewhat underwhelmed. Not sure if I will stick with the series. The art and some of the action sequences were well done though.

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Did anyone pick up and read the first issue? I thought it was quite well done and a nice return to the 'Long Halloween' series.

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I have noticed that almost nobody on Lemmy is very good at video games, so I am throwing this glove toss to the ground as a challenge. Crush these Batman Returns on the Super Nintendo achievements (you will fail, being poor at videogames) and support the community around this game. If you are less bad at videogames and want to see "how it is done" I suggest this speedrun, but it won't help 99.76% of the gamers on Lemmy who don't even know what tech is, in beat-em-up/ fighting games they aren't aware of it. We'll watch as the so called proud "BATMAN" fans of "lemmy, a can't play videogame so good community" downvote and hate upon this Batman Returns themed achievement set, just because they don't respect Michael Keaton's acting on Super Nintendo.

It's honestly just Jokerfying (who isn't even in this game) that I am apparently in the only 100ish gamers who have any of the good Batman Achievements for this entire game.

Alfred isn't even in this game because he was deemed TOO LIKELY to be KILLED by an infinite punch cancel chain, which would have raised the game's rating to "T for Teenengarten" in Germany.

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Saw this at a local store, and couldn't stop laughing. Although, his love relationship with Catwoman, a woman in leather with a whip, makes a lot more sense now.

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Classic 1966 Batman & Robin: Adam West and Burt Ward, among my favorite iterations of the dynamic duo.


Burt Ward: "There are several fine actors who have portrayed Batman in films. In my eyes, there was only one real Batman. That is and always will be Adam West. He was truly the Bright Knight."

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I'm currently rewatching Batman: The Animated Series and noticed in the episode Feats of Clay that the assistant (I couldn't remember his name) of Matt Hagen seems to be a little bit more affectionate than you'd usually see in a friend. I could be seeing things but I never noticed that as a kid.

If true that would make the story even more sad. But I guess good for him for getting out of that abusive relationship. Matt sees him mourning in the end and just laughs madly.

Now I wonder what else I've missed. I was wondering about Maven and Selina Kyle but they seem to be more distant. Not to mention Selina's open flirtations with Bruce and Batman.

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I've watched a few episodes already and hope to watch the rest in the next few days, so without spoilers how are people enjoying the show?

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I like when characters are clearly defined. You need a clear baseline of a starting point of who these characters are, and where they come from. Their personality can change over time, but not WHO they are. So things like age (unless you plan to age the entire universe equally), facial features, race, gender, eye color, hair color, body size, body shape. These are all things that need to be consistant no matter how many times you reboot the series. Peter Parker has been a high school/early college aged skinny white boy who just happens to be Spiderman. Batman is always an early 40s, maybe mid 30s rich businessman, who happens to be Batman.

When they wanted to make a black kid as Spiderman, they created a new character. I'm not sure if it's just for the video games (I don't regularly read comics, and I haven't seen him in any movies), they created Miles Morales. A NEW CHARACTER, and the city doesn't know Spidermans identity. They've seen him change his costume before. So he can "be" Spiderman, but he's a different physical person. And that's fine. That's how you SHOULD go about making a change to who the super hero is, without doing a hard reset on the universe.

But Catwoman? She's all over the place. Sometimes she's white, sometimes she's black, sometimes she's young, sometimes she's old, sometimes she's a villain, sometimes she's a hero, and then one time for no reason at all they had her play basketball.....the nails I get, because she's CATwoman, but why the whip? Sometimes she has the whip, sometimes not. Pick a lane!!! God damn! Are there multiple catwomen? Am I supposed to believe there's an entire commitee of women who's sole goal in life is to point out how stupid Batman is, that he's not noticing that every time he runs into Catwoman, she's clearly a different person? Sometimes she loves Batman, sometimes she's lesbian. Sometimes she's anti-social. Sometimes she teams up with other villians. Sometimes she teams up with Batman.

NO! FIGURE IT OUT DC!!! She's Selina Kyle. That's your starting point. If I'm to believe in this character, you need to define who she is. If there are multiple catwomen, that needs to be explained.

You don't see Harley Quinn changing drastic things about her to the point of being unrecognizable. I remember being in the theater watching The Dark Knight Rises, and thinking "Huh. A woman wearing all black, who's a cat burglar. Why don't they just replace this character with Catwoman???"

It wasn't until later in the movie when I pieced together that she WAS supposed to be Catwoman.

THIS was the biggest "WTF ARE YOU DOING???" moment I had about the catwoman character. Scarecrow was clearly defined. Joker was clearly defined. Two face was clearly defined. All these characters there was no mistake who it was. Even Robin at the end of the movie didn't get a clear "IS that Robin, or not???"

But Catwoman only became apperent about halfway through the movie. She had no connection or imagery OF cats. It's actually WORSE than the 1993 Super Mario Bros movie, when you saw the Goombas. At least there they explained "Hey, these are the goombas." They never explained why some of them had long lizard faces, and some had round heads......but they used the word "Goomba" right in the introduction. With Catwoman, they NEVER said "Catwoman" the entire movie.

And it doesn't help things that the 2004 Catwoman movie with Halle Berry was just......just so bad. I love Halle Berry, but come on. I think even she'd admit that was a low point in her career creatively.

The 1992 Batman Returns is THE definitive Catwoman. THAT'S how you do it.

There's also the campy 1960s tv show version of Catwoman. Considering the rest of the show, Catwoman was fine here. Nothing too remarkable, but then again nothing from that version was. Other than maybe Ceasar Romero not shaving before putting on Joker face paint. I mean really. Did he never see the character? Joker does NOT have facial hair!

My only theory is that it's multiple women, and they're all Catwoman. Batman, and the audience are treated like they don't see the constant shifting in who that is.

And yes, I'm also upset by Batman and Robin. All of it. Just.....the whole movie. Mr Freeze is not some hulking power lifter. Poison Ivy was played alright I guess. Robin is not some dude in his 40s. He's supposed to be like 13. And yes, I realize that kind of makes Bruce Wayne/Batman a little suspicious that he's a grown ass man hanging out with this random 8th grader. Even moreso when you realize he's hanging out with him to get help from this boy fighting the most psychotic maniacs in Gotham.

"Ok, Robin. We've got to stop the Joker. He's going to blow up the bank. He's going to have armed henchmen all over the ground. He's going to have bombs inside the bank. Here's a big stick."

Ok, I'm losing focus here, and the more I type the more I realize how weird the Batman universe is.

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