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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

I really don't see the point in voting when the executive and legislative branches are bought and paid for with candidates I don't approve of.

Bernie Sanders' constituents are incredibly fortunate. The candidates available for my districts oppose socialized medicine, returning stock market regulations (e.g. outlawing stock buybacks), and the 32 hour workweek mandate.

When I have someone I can vote for, then I'll vote. Otherwise fuck it, waste of my time.

[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 29 points 8 months ago

And we get Trump again because of idiots like you. THAT is why you vote: to prevent a fucking fascist from getting elected.

[-] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Bullshit. Blame the useless DNC. They're the ones that we got elected and they've done NOTHING with it except for fuel a genocide.

It is up to the party to make it worth voting for them.

Fuck this bullshit attitude of blaming the voters. It's up to the ones in power.

Everyone hates the way things are going, and the main point of the DNC is to maintain the status quo. The status quo is going to get all of us killed.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 8 months ago

The world is burning, and instead of the bare minimum of voting against the guy holding gas cans, you want to ... complain about the marketing.

wow

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

I ask again, where is the democracy?

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If it's not a democracy, then what is it? I think the onus is on you to at least provide a hypothesis.

(And yes, it's a constitutional republic, I'm not here to play word games)

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Okay. It’s pretty simple. Where do I vote for someone who doesn’t further the capitalistic interest of the United States?

They are ALL united under the umbrella of GET MONEY.

With that, I would say the United States is Totalitarian.

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.

Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so.

- Michael Parenti. (1996). Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit

It’s fascism in a pinstriped suit.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

waste of my time.

It's very nice to have that luxury, but please try to think of the less fortunate who will be hurt most by MAGA policies.

[-] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Ah yes. Because the Democrats really have changed things this time around! They really have dealt with the issues that we're all so worried about!

Oh wait! Shit is still exactly the same and none of our big problems have been addressed AT ALL.

In fact, things are worse now because we're paying for a goddamn genocide.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

things are worse now

I know you really miss 1943 huh

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 8 months ago

What makes being disenfranchised by such a corrupt gerrymandered district that you become disengaged from your own leadership a luxury?

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