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That is true but when has that ever included military or police funding?
No, you're absolutely correct - and it's good. The DHS and FBI should absolutely be dismantled.
I don't disagree with that, but it's not like they would stop with that, if they did they would be doing it so they could empower other types of enforcement
You just answered your own question. They're not going to dismantle it, they're going to make them more friendly the petit bourgeois cooks that make up the anti-globalist faction within Republicans. Which is who Trump appeals to. The FBI and other intelligence agencies are captured by the internationalist capitalists. There's a power dynamic here and inter-class fighting happening. It's not just one faction of wealthy and not pure party politics.
The dismantle talk is different from ours. When we say dismantle/defund, we mean eliminate it. They mean change it to work better for them.
And the DNC would happily create new, worse forms of law enforcement in the sake of bipartisanship. There's no sunlight between them on support for state violence, the difference is that the GOP base feels a (probably temporary) threat from the current apparatus. You won't be convincing me to vote out of concern for saving the current fascistic surveillance state appendages.
I agree with this, I'm not trying to convince anyone to vote and I won't be voting, I just think there might be some merit to the idea that there could be an exceptional level of political repression after the next election, I've stated my reasons for that.
A large part of me feels Trump being elected could be better for the left because of this repression in a way, there is no energy to do anything material at the ground level when democrats are in power, because to the libs they are the 'grown-ups'. I just have a large amount of anxiety and fear for immediate victims of violence when chuds get empowered by elections. But it's not like they'd go away if Trump lost anyway.
Yeah, I get what you mean, but I think the jan 6th stuff is proof enough that the dems won't be protecting anybody or using the powers of the state to go after right wing violence. They've treated the jan 6ers with kid gloves, some lib in florida who just posted about going to the capitol building to protect it from people trying to invade it got as long a sentence if not longer than the people who actually broke into the capitol in DC. Same with those militia weirdos who were plotting to kidnap a governor (well, the ones who weren't FBI agents or informants), or the Bundy weirdos. The democrats are pretty much indistinguishable from the republicans in their legal repression - they're only really interested in punishment for those to their left.