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U.S. put a hold on an ammunition shipment to Israel
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While I’d love to see that, it would be unprecedented in the history of US-Israel relations. If it does happen at all, it will definitely come slowly.
Also, you may want to stop putting election abstinence out there as a consequence. We’re all aware that Trump will make things worse for Palestinians as well as everyone who isn’t a rich white American industrialist male.
I'm just making sure everyone knows what the consequence is, whether I like it or not. It's Biden's job to do right by the people who voted for him no matter how bad the alternative may be.
His job is to represent all Americans, not just Democrats. Many Republicans and Evangelicals believe in supporting Israel in eradicating Palestinians.
So is Trump's job to represent all Americans, even Democrats? Sure as hell doesn't fucking feel so.
That’s the funny thing about being President. They tend to do a better job when they’ve held office before. It turns out that real estate con men and actors do a pretty terrible job of representing the average American.
It's in the job description for president, so yeah in theory. We just all know, based on years of actions and rhetoric, that Trump has no intention of representing anyone other than himself. He doesn't even care about his own supporters. Don't let that cloud what the job is supposed to entail though.
Not unprecedented. Ronald Reagan used the threat of halting arms exports to Israel in '83, in order to end PM Menachem Begin's terror bombing of Beirut.
Yes. He then sold arms to Iran, known as the Iran-Contra scandal, which in turn went to Hezbollah, inciting the Israel-Iran proxy war we’re protesting today. Then he provided military aid to Israel under agreement that they use it to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon. He literally is the father of this proxy conflict. Do not glorify his actions.
I don't think I'm glorifying anything. Merely pointing out a moment in history in which a President threatened arms sales to Israel, prior to this one.
He withheld all aid, not just military, and then provided exclusive military aid with directive for application. He wasn’t “being tough” on Israel. He was telling them where to point the guns. It’s not an example of what we need from Biden, or any president for that matter.
How is this the response to a post directly pointing out what you said is wrong.
"Yes I was wrong, but he was horrible so it doesn't count."
Ronald Reagan was a piece of shit. He also did the thing you said no one had done before.
No, again, he didn’t. He only withheld aid in order to direct the use of the subsequent military aid. That’s not being “tough on Israel.” It’s telling them where to shoot.
No, he didn't. The saturation bombing of Beirut was a step too far, especially as it was fucking with the US's attempts to broker peace in Lebanon. It also actually pissed Reagan off who described it in the phone call as 'a holocaust'
You have the weirdest, most demented, view of American history as it relates to Israel I think I've ever seen.