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I think there's a perception of preaching to the choir here. A vanishingly small percentage of Lemmy users would ever vote for Trump, and Biden is just the default other option. You don't need to convince someone not to eat a turd, but if the other option is to just eat a smaller turd, it's fair to focus your efforts on getting people to opt out entirely.
FWIW, I will be voting, even though my vote is electorally useless, but I understand not wanting to cosign the actions of either septuagenarian genocide supporter.
Trump absolutely supports genocide. It’s proven. Time and again. So… Make no mistake, you’re getting genocide either way. And these people that think that withholding their vote will somehow change that are grossly mistaken. So they can either help their own country not become a fascist dictatorship (Project 2025) or they can throw a hissy fit and pretend they’re going to make a difference doing nothing.
Not voting doesn’t cancel an election. Far from it. It just makes it easier for the conservative choice because they always how up to vote while the left/far left don’t.
Maybe the democrats should work on that problem and give someone to vote for instead of against.
But they won’t and then they’ll blame low turnout for their lack of a good candidate
Start lower down.
Just "not voting" is seen as apathy, disinterest. You're a voter who isn't going to bother to go vote, so why chase you? Instead, they can try and win over more of the active voters, which just means shifting right.
So you start lower on the totem pole. Presidents are (recent obvious mistakes from 2016 aside) going to be people who have been local, county, and state representatives. They matter a lot too, and it's easier to get candidates who are more oriented to your ideals.
Expecting change by effectively doing nothing... Well that's not an idea I can get behind. I'm not looking forward to a civil war, I'm not looking forward to project 2025, so I'm going to vote to prevent that.
I'm also voting for the most left leaning people on the ballot all the way from the bottom up. There are a few progressives who made it through the primary locally for me, and they are getting my vote - they have a good chance of success too, which is great.
What I'm not going to do is stick my head in the sand and say "But that's not good enough, I'll just be over here" - because it won't get good enough until it's clear they will get the votes to succeed, and with certain people in office, the opportunity for those folks to even make it into local offices will disappear.
Nothing you said disagrees with what I said. My comment was all about the impulse to abstain, not advocating abstention. My final sentence calls them both genocide supporters.
I didn’t say it to disagree.
You can just say vote Biden.
Most people would see that that’s implied.
If we're getting genocide either way then we should demand different options.
That's exactly what the agitators and such want - not to get people to vote for Trump which they know isn't gonna happen, they just want to convince enough people not to vote against him so he wins.
Co-sign? People do not understand what voting is and use these dramatic phrases. It's damage mitigation and it always has been. That's party politics: you almost never get your first choice. Compromise is the only way. Sometimes the compromise sucks but if the alternative is far worse, you do the grown up thing and prevent the most damage.
There's not much mitigation going on when the Democrats are just standing by while Republicans declare open season on minorities and immigrants.