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I worked on the space shuttle program, and I found Armageddon almost unwatchable. I mean, those things go up with the big solid rockets and an external tank full of hydrogen and oxygen, all of which get jettisoned during launch, then they come down as a glider. But in the movie they're landing on asteroids and taking off again, smashing into things and still flying, etc. (remember how Columbia blew up because of a crack in the leading edge of one wing?). Plus the whole premise of it being easier to teach oil drillers how to be astronauts than to teach astronauts how to be oil drillers is a joke. Every astronaut I've met has been an amazing capable person - many are test pilots with multiple advanced degrees.
I always love the interview with Ben Affleck about Armageddon: "I asked Micheal why it would be easier to train drillers to be astronauts rather than vice versa, and he just responded with 'fuck you.'"
Ha! I hadn't heard that - I'm glad someone involved called him out on it. I mean, I get that the real answer - to that and all my complaints - is that the movie doesn't work otherwise, but it's so annoying.
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If the movie doesn't work unless you include a plot hole then the movie doesn't work.
As soon as you know too much about a certain topic, any movie or series about it turns to shit.
I'm a nurse and badly done medical stuff in movies are so rampant and it drives me crazy.
That's super true. What's worse is that it often turns out to be true of news as well. There have been a few times when I was familiar with events that made the news, and there were always inaccuracies in the articles. It's made me look at articles on events that I'm not familiar with differently; they probably have the same amount of inaccuracies.
I'm software engineering in aerospace, so a lot of computer and space stuff is ruined, which covers a lot of content.
But everyone should smack their heads about Armageddon.
Astronauts brains are too big, their soft womanly hands incapable of drilling. Wearing a spacesuit and floating around a bit is trivial. Only some yeehaw boys and one man who 'tells it like it is' can save us.
There's also the really stupid "high G burn around the moon" scene, which I would love to see Scott Manley try to replicate in KSP.
That’s why I liked Deep Impact. It went must more (potentially) realistic than Armageddon. But the latter wanted its “common man, that people can relate to, saves the day” trope.
Deep impact is a great movie! Directed by Mimi Leder. She also directed The Peacemaker, a great 90's adventure movie with George Clooney and Nichole Kidman. If you're into that sort of thing.
Because it's easier to put someone in a suite than teach them years of experience of drilling. You might remember that even the experianced driller had trouble. They also send astronauts with them as well to do the astronaut things, not just the driller crew.
The smashing into things thing and still taking off...well the movie was supposed to have a happy end for the remaining crew. It would've still been a happy end to have them die, but this way you get a lovely reunion with the families.
I don't know you, but if you go by questioning plot-armor, you'll have a really hard time to find something to watch.
Agreed. All the drillers have to do is ride. OTOH, neither group would fare well learning to drill in microgravity.
I don't understand the the thinking that astronauts would be amazing drillers. Drilling is functionally a trade, the education aspect isn't the key factor, it's the experience. The movie actually does a fair job explaining why.
I would have written it so the drilling crew needed to learn to be astronauts and the astronauts needed to learn drilling and send them both up. That way, they would be each other's backups and you get another small story arc out of it.
I never said that being a driller is trivial. Do you think being an astronaut is trivial? That's a pretty intensely technical job, which is why the bar for entry is so insanely high. I would put my money on those folks leaning how to drill better than drillers leaning how to be an astronaut.
It's not trivial to be an astronaut, but most didn't need to be. Flying the ships, docking, and landing on an asteroid all require intense skills. The drilling required a similarly intense set of skills that you can't gain in a week. You can probably teach someone the bare minimum of putting on a suit and working in it.
I'm sorry but I ADORE Armageddon lol is very emotional and self aware. Is definitely a NO BORING movie and always keeps moving, even when there's no explosions going on. Ben Affleck > Neil Armstrong, I bet he couldn't had reached those 400 feet in time! 💣