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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Pandantic@midwest.social to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

Obviously this won’t work for all sports, but things like football, track, soccer, it would allow for de-gendered team, even allowing athletes with the skills but not the genetically-endowed physical attributes to have a place to play.

Note: I know very little about sports and being on a sports team, so please point out anything that doesn’t make sense.

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[-] Gamers_Mate@fedia.io 12 points 6 months ago

I could see this working better than the current system and would undermine bigots argument about an unfair advantage. Though there are people that think being transgender gives people an advantage in chess somehow.

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago

Women (and trans women) naturally carry a higher body fat percentage than men (Incl trans men) a "male" athlete can more safely and more easily carry a lower body fat % and therefore more muscle per kilo. So the weight classes wouldnt be able to be 1:1 if you wanted a level playing field.

There is still the inherent biological advantage in being born male and going through male puberty and developing a male muscular/skeletal system before transitioning. Very difficult to rule around every nuance of this though.

[-] JesterIzDead@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

This is exactly right and what many people fail to understand. In studies, even after 3+ years of hormone therapy, trans-women still have significantly more muscle tissue than CIS women.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

And that's without looking at cardiovascular differences, or even as subtle as glycogen storage.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Testosterone is literally a PED.

Its why trans women can compete at a decent level, they'll still rarely be at the absolute top of their sport.

They have to have their testosterone and other hormones monitored and held to average levels. That will always put them at a disadvantage at elite levels versus women who don't have the same requirement.

There is still the inherent biological advantage in being born male and going through male puberty and developing a male muscular/skeletal system before transitioning

Which is completely solved by access to puberty blockers before transitioning.

I did see some article claim that hip to knee ratio didn't translate to athletic performance, and it was so ridiculous I even downloaded the linked PDF that said it was a study, and it was just a pamphlet repeating the exact same claim with no further source.

I mean, there's a clear correlation already with women's sports already. Lots of runners peak early and have worse times by graduating highschool. But it's literally physics. Wider hips just means less efficient running.

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Your last sentence made me search up women's chess... and it exists! That sound like a bold assumption or assertion that women are dumber in chess... Like what? I don't know why chess has to be gender divided. Maybe it exist to increase representation of women in it but the idea seems stupid. Maybe they have to split it for trans too if its already divided for cis women.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago
[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

It sounds so but the gap is still too large to say it. The "stereotype threat" shown here should not really affect every one of theese female players. For most other feilds, women can easily take upto 30-40% participation

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