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Spain introduces porn passport to stop kids from watching smut
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How can you be against porn? It's neither good or bad, it exists and I basically don't watch it, but I recognize that others do, why is that a problem that needs solving? To be clear, I'm reading your response as against porn in all forms and for all audiences based on your wording, is that what you mean?
They’re probably against the exploitation associated with it. I’d compare it to being against diamonds due to the bloody conflicts associated with them.
Yes.
I am against porn because I am against prostitution, and porn is a type of prostitution, with the same problems of prostitution plus some more. The central problem is sexism.
Good and bad are Manichaean categories, as a materialist, I avoid using them. My problem with pornography is the reality of it as well as the reality of prostitution in general. The porn industry is the home of abuse, in every sense. First in the rawest sense, the physical and mental abuse that actresses go through; second in the reproduction and propagation of the culture of abuse, considering that it is the most recurrent theme in porn films; third in the economic sense, pornography, like prostitution in general, is the sale of consent: the actress or prostitute receives money to have sex with someone she would not have sex with under other circumstances, in short: paid rape.
I do not, however, advocate banning either prostitution or pornography, mainly because it would not solve the problem and could even worsen the vulnerability of women in these professions. I however think that pimping should be criminally punished, just like porn networks, which are just a socially accepted form of pimping. Several social problems produce prostitution and pornography, mainly economic inequality, but also the misogyny embedded in the culture of our society, and only a different form of sociability could put an end to these practices. As long as we are not living in this new system, governments can take palliative measures to alleviate the various problems of these practices, but this is not the case at all with this measure by the Spanish government.
EDIT: I have corrected the third link to the article where the information comes from.
It seems pretty clear that advocates for and against porn/prostitution should all want it to be legalised and regulated so that proper controls and oversight can be put in place. Driving porn/prostitution in to the hands of criminal enterprise guarantees that there is no safety or standard of behaviour when it comes to these industries, much like the failing war on drugs.
It's insightful of you to associate these two problems, in fact, in that they are similar. In both cases, there is also no point in legalizing so that large companies control activities, creating, in the case of drugs, big tobacco 2.0.
Okay, well tell Portugal that then, considering the dramatic social shift after decriminalising and treating drug addiction as a health issue.
Obviously don't do it like America, because that's the same rule with most things.
Did you understand that I defend legalization, I just don't defend it being controlled by big companies?
Sounds like we agree then, you did say that there is no point in legalising it. If that was the combined concept of both legalising it and giving it to corps to handle being bad, then sure, we agree.
I paid rent using a webcam years ago, and I am not sure that your points really apply to all porn/sex-work. I am not denying that it doesn't apply to some of it though.
Men paid me to chat with them, let them watch me jerk off, and sometimes watch them watch me jerk off. I was probably going to jerk off anyway, and knowing what I was so attractive that people would pay me to see me do it was a turn on.
I linked an article that talks about the problem in general, two studies that talk about specific subjects and cases and an article that talks specifically about the content of porn films (I corrected the link, I was linking another text, not the one where the information originates ). There is exception for everything. Despite your individual experience, most pornography consumed does not involve direct compensation from viewers to actors to begin with. I do not aim to talk about prostitution and pornography in its entirety, but in general.
But anyway:
Yet, you only streamed because you needed to pay rent, or didn't you?
Also, I did not propose immediately anything that would threaten the activity in the way you practiced it,on the contrary, banning pornographic networks would possibly encourage this type of pornography. If we got to a state where most porn was like this, we would have made a huge progress.
It's pretty fun to having guys go on and on about how big/suckable your dick is and how much they want you to fuck them. If I was single I'd probably do it again, even without being paid.
When you responded to @SlothMama@lemmy.world, you said that you were against all porn.
I was showing one of the many examples of being in the sex industry, without any abuse and without it being "paid rape" as you put it. You didn't say "some", "a lot", or even "most". You simply generalized all sex work as harmful to the worker/performer.
Yes, and I also didn't suggest banning pornography or anything like that. If you think that my statement alone that I am against pornography threatens pornography as a whole, you are greatly overestimating my influence.
It is a convention, at least as I understand it, that when we are talking colloquially about a phenomenon, we are talking about how that phenomenon generally happens, even if we don't use the word "generally" or something equivalent, since it is common sense that for everything there is at least one exception. If you feel like your case doesn't fit into any of the issues I've outlined, with all honesty in my heart: good for you. However, most cases are not that lucky. Exception, instead of contradicting the rule, proves it, otherwise, it would not be an exception, it would be the rule itself.