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American “leftists” claiming communists are “terminally online” for practicing basic internationalism
(hexbear.net)
IDK, maybe when more people here are getting screwed over, libs will radicalize and get off their asses instead of trying to guilt us for not giving legitimacy unconditionally to their favorite “lesser evil” bourgeois party.
Of course, using their meager leverage to extract concessions from the people supposedly representing them never crosses their minds…
Also imagine having the audacity to call us privileged when you see what’s going on in Gaza as a “single issue” instead of an escalation of violence by the ruling class that can and will go back to us.
I'm certainly not trying here to appeal to your emotions and tell you to like or respect white people -- I don't think that's a very useful conversation. Ultimately, I'm mostly coming from a strategic viewpoint that this is a country that is about 70% white, so unless you are gunning for separatism (which I would rate as a bad strategy given the American proclivity for carpet-bombing places it doesn't like), you're going to need to get around to working with white people, even if it requires leaning into the aspect of intersectionality concerning how people can be part of the dominant ethnic group and still harshly minoritized due to other factors.
But I think you're slightly mischaracterizing me even with the charity you apparently afford me. I'm not saying you should hold blind faith in anyone, white or otherwise. I don't think you should buy in, roll the dice, and then see what the payout is. What I am saying is that you should believe in the potential of people to be good and to see the better part of the white working class as people who can be comrades, even though they certainly aren't now. They don't know that they should be, why they should be, nor perhaps even that they can be, but it is the job of organizers and agitators to combat racism by promoting solidarity among people of all races, not just making expeditious use of solidarity that already exists (though they should do that too!).
I was resisting posting the Fred Hampton quote that has been ridden into the ground, but here's a version I found:
Here, at least, is someone who was a communist first. Do we need to weigh him against Garvey?
I’ve given up on the American working class and especially the white American working class.
“How do we reach them?”
We can’t, they will choose fascism.
What we or the world do about that is another question, but that is what is happening.
That's the thing: I always have been. I fundamentally do not believe that there CAN BE an 'Amerika' where Black folk and crackers coexist on an actually-equal level; haven't believed in it since Ferguson. The crackers will never liberate us. We will never know true equality if we just wait on them. We will never know self-determination if we let them pollute the process. Which means it has to be taken from them, bloodlessly or otherwise.
Where we actually see eye-to-eye is that I believe the nation of subjects, whether just Black, or a fusion of Black and indigenous tribes (however it shakes out) needs a Marxist approach, otherwise we will end up just emulating crackers and their political malfeasance.
I've lost my faith that the arc of history will bend toward justice, and climate change has put us on a clock that is rapidly running out of time. From my perspective, if justice never comes, revenge is fine too. I will not die still lashed to Amerikan crackers.
God damn I love my people 🗣️💪🏿
CC @Tomboymoder@hexbear.net
You have successfully impressed upon me that there's nothing I can say, though as America degrades, i.e. approaches revolutionary conditions, there will be significantly more white people who don't take the petite-bourgeois-driven path of fascism because they have already been left overwhelmingly proletarian, they will be people who agitation can practically reach. That's not to say revolution in even the best world would be bloodless, but, well, I can accept that I'm just talking in circles
This, however, is fully reactionary and, as one would expect from that, completely divorced from reason. There's just nothing to say about it because -- unlike other things you say that I don't really agree with -- it has nothing making it look legitimate besides bitterness. Anti-sociality is never Marxist, and this accomplishes nothing but anti-sociality.
Then what was the point of all this aggrieved bloviation? You know where I stand. If you really had nothing to say why the fuck are you still bending my ear? I am so, so fucking sick of this microaggressive finger-wagging bullshit out of you people when not one of you who has the gall to run your mouths has ever lived where we come from.
And now that I've had time to really mull over the crackerish bullshit you're talking, in what fucking world is it 'divorced from reason' to see a necessity for utter separation from one's existential enemies; existential enemies who STILL exploit the subject-of-empire in every possible way they can, day in and day out, until the subject-of-empire is thoroughly violated and left in either a shallow grave, or up a metaphorical fuckin tree? You know nothing of the struggle, and are frankly naive if you really believe that there's ANY kind of coming together to do with these crackers.
One way or another, the debt will be paid. With or without your high-brow paternalist approval. Now fuck off.