cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5268146
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The top row is all MAGA communist guy and the bottom row has 3 obsessive debaters and Hasan?
Hasan used to stream with Destiny back in 2019. They had collaboration streams with Hasan, Destiny, and Andy Milonakis of the Andy Milonakis show on MTV. This was before Hasan was a big streamer and before he quit TYT, I believe. Destiny hadn't been banned from twitch yet. In 2019, Destiny used to be a game streamer and he presented himself as a centrist type guy who was interested in learning about leftist politics. The implication of the co-streams was that Hasan was going to teach Destiny about leftism. I remember seeing video of the 3 of them and Hasan trying to explain Marxism to Destiny. Not long after, Destiny did a full back stab and accused Hasan of calling his black friends the nword in private. Hasan responds by calling Destiny a "weasley little liar" and that's where this emote comes from.
Destiny has been making up lies and drama about Hasan since 2019.
Vaush was banned from twitch in 2018 or 2019. The reason that he was banned from twitch was that he had said that the US military should invade Israel to protect Palestinians. He might have also said the US should nuke Israel, I'm not 100% sure on my memory. It's weird that Vaush thought that the US foreign policy would protect Palestinians but also surprising that Vaush claims to support Palestine. Since Vaush was banned from twitch so early, Hasan never really interacted much. Though, Hasan has always distanced himself from Vaush, particularly because Vaush has such fervent support for American foreign policy and for the Democratic party.
Keffals is a friend of Vaush. Hasan has intentionally avoided talking to or about Keffals for years. I think he knew something was weird about her politics. He reluctantly talked about her in 2022 (I think) when Keffals was being harassed by k*wifarms. After that, Keffals has done a "why I left the left" bit and claimed that Marxism is a cult, among other things.
Hinkle is probably a fed. There are chat logs in Hasan's twitch chat which shows him being supportive of Hasan. This was before Hinkle made the MAGA communism turn and before he appeared on Tucker Carlson.
On this list of people, Hasan is the only one who has had consistent analysis. Everyone else there is a flip flopper. The accusation that Hasan is liberal or a grifter is completely baseless. A grifter is someone who promotes opinions that they don't believe for money. He has been saying that same things for like 10 years now, so that would indicate that he's not doing it for the money because he was doing it before it was making money. Hasan also continued to do news coverage in support of Palestine after October 7 and raised over a million dollars for Gaza aid, which caused his average audience to shrink by 1/3 in size, which indicates that he's consistent on his views even when it loses money. Also he's never promised or claimed to be a leader of Leftism, he's just a guy who reports the news and tells his audience to form unions and do their own political actions, such as the campus encampments in California which he attended himself and interviewed people from the encampments more than once. Also Hasan doesn't invest in wealth or hire employees because he doesn't want to be called a capitalist. His merch is union made. His youtube editors get all of the youtube revenue. He doesn't even do TTS donations on twitch anymore. He gets payed by amazon for his news reporting and amazon forces him to show ads or optionally you can pay $6 to not see the ads. Or you can just block the ads and he used to say that on stream but now the amazon contracts say that he can't say that. Hasan also has direct contact with journalists from news websites and regularly has them interviewed on stream. Hasan is also friends with all of hexbears favorites: Boyboy and Ididathing, Felix and Will from chapo, Brace from trueanon, Second thought and Yugopnik from The Deprogram, etc. He's consistent with his analysis, he has connections to journalists, and he doesn't invest the money he's payed into capital. What exactly is the grift? He promotes Marxist analysis, he reports the news, and he gets payed for showing ads. If you expected Hasan to be Lenin, then you're the fool. Hasan is just a news reporter who also support Marxism and that's not a grift or liberalism.
Hasan fan, didn’t read
He endorses Kamala and is pro-Ukrainian nazis
That's not true. He hasn't endorsed Kamala. Before Biden dropped out he was doing Kamala memes but that is similar to the "Dark Brandon". Even Hexbear was doing Dark Brandon and coconut memes before democrats co-opted them and made them "in support" of the Democrats instead of against. Some of his videos show him analyzing Kamala's chance to win but that doesn't mean he supports the outcome. He also does analysis of republicans chance to win and makes suggestions for how they could be more likely win. That doesn't mean that he supports Kamala or Republicans. He has said that he won't support Kamala because of her support of Israel and because of her right wing border policy.
He also doesn't support the Ukraine nazis. He's done coverage of the Azov battalion plenty of times. He might lean into support Ukraine, but not in the NATO guy way. Hasan is anti-NATO. He also did coverage about how Russia definitely didn't blow the Nordstrom pipeline. I don't think he really supports either side but he tries to do a framing of like Ukraine being the smaller country. There's lots of liberals who also call Hasan a Russia supporter. You call him a Ukraine supporter. So people interpret his analysis in both ways and I think it doesn't really matter. If his analysis is bad on this one thing, nobody is perfect. You or I don't have to agree with him on every single thing.
He told his viewers to vote for Kamala. I saw the clip. You type way too much shit, I’m not reading all that about a steamer. Condense your ideas
All of Ukraine is a Nazi state, not just Azov. If he supports Ukraine he supports NATO and Nazis, you can’t have it both ways
Show the clip. I type a lot because I am annoyed by people who intentionally misinterpret me so I try to be very detailed.
Right here from just a few days ago he said that he would need to see Kamala change the policy on Israel in order to tell people to support her. This was also before she released her new "stronger border" campaign policy, which makes her even worse. He has said a lot more against Kamala on twitch but it doesn't make it to youtube.
https://youtu.be/ymCWS9HjGZE?t=786
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
This is honestly the first I'm seeing of "All of Ukraine is a Nazi state". I've heard nazi mutterings in comments before but I don't really follow Ukraine like that apparently. Do you have some suggested reading for someone with an open mind to the facts?
2014 was a Nazi-led putsch, it integrated all neo-Nazi militias into the army and promoted them as generals and leadership. It installed Nazis into positions of secretary of the interior, governors of oblasts, chief of police, mayors and all other levels of civil and military governance. They then went on to ban Russian language and remove all soviet monuments and names, replacing them with pro-Bandera and pro-SS “heroes” of WW2.
Up and down, top to bottom, the entire thing is an American led neo-Nazi project that’s intended as a battering ram against Russia from the outset
Isn't Zelensky Jewish?
And? Israel is a fascist Nazi aligned “Jewish” nation
Nazis in Ukraine are almost a state-within-a-state. Not everyone in the Ukrainian government or military is a Nazi, but the Nazis are a dominant force.
If you fight alongside a Nazi you are a Nazi. All of the Ukrainian state is therefore Nazis for going along with the goose stepping fascists and aiding them.
Just like American soldiers are terrorists and Daesh because it is them who created, fund, arm, train and facilitate Daesh.
true, but a lemmy user unfamiliar with our takes is not going to infer that's what we mean. They go off back to lemmy and repeat our take secondhand to other people, those people will tear into it because they also won't infer what we mean or give us the benefit of the doubt, and then the person starts to lose confidence in what we have to say.
I even think your take is too generous. 2014 was extremely thorough at embedding fascists at every level of governance. The entire state apparatus is so thoroughly penetrated and controlled by swatstika wearing Nazis that it’s correct to say the entire state is nazi, just as much as Germany in 1944. The “moderate non-Nazi” mythical beast you allude to doesn’t exist, they see the Nazis everywhere and salute just like the German “moderates” we gave West Germany to
It’s not a minority of leadership pulling down the soviet statues and naming streets Bandera. It’s the majoritarian view of the government. There are more bonafide Nazi scum than not.
I always heard (or thought I heard) the nazis were only a dominant minority, leading an unresisting but non ideologically committed majority, but I’m realizing I don’t actually know that and I just absorbed that impression ambiently. It’s been a year at least since I followed the situation.
let me slice out a highlight here:
I don't watch Hasan, I don't give a fuck what he's up to, one million dollars, straight to Palestine.
Rich people do charity with other people's money all the time. Do you also like Bill Gates?
you, me, and Hasan are all closer in wealth - both in lived experience and in numerical dollar amount - than someone ten times richer than Hasan is to Bill Gates
https://tiltify.com/@hasanabi/palestinian-medical-assistance
You can see that Hasan donated $50k of his own money to Palestine. This is only one of the charities that he did for Palestine but there was at least one more. Hasan doesn't have enough money to just give $1 million to Palestine by himself. Hasan and Bill Gates receive money in fundamentally different ways. Hasan gets payed by amazon for talking to a camera.
Bill Gates gets payed money for owning software that he didn't even write. Also one of the reasons that Bill Gates became so rich was that he was able to exploit software copyright before anyone else. Many people don't know that software was not considered protected by copyright before 1974. In 1975, Bill Gates payed his college room Monte Davidoff to develop a computer program called Altair BASIC. Bill Gates then licensed Altair BASIC to a company called MITS for royalties on every sale up to $180,000. In 1976, Bill Gates wrote "Open Letter to Hobbyists" which a published in many magazines and he complained that all software should be payed for and nobody should have software freely. Bill Gates collects money purely by owning property and paying people to wages to make software for him to own. Bill Gates has had a more negative impact on the progression of computer software technology than maybe anyone in history.
Hasan gets payed money by amazon for talking to a camera. Hasan does the opposite of Bill Gates. You can search for hasanabi on youtube and find over 50 channels which upload clips from his stream. This is because Hasan allows random people to share his clips and even collect money from his clips. There are dozens of other people who collect money by editing and sharing Hasan's stream clips. There have even been times when youtube tried to de-monetise the fan channels and Hasan negotiated with youtube so that the fan channel could still collect money for themselves.
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