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Young Jewish man stabbed in NYC by attacker yelling ‘Free Palestine’
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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More Jews live outside of Israel than live Inside. And while Jews do have the right to claim Israeli citizenship if they can prove their heritage, it's become very uncommon as even the children of Holocaust survivors are dying out. Their kids don't feel unsafe in other countries like the previous generations were given reason to.
While that may be true in some places, it's not true everywhere:
In Wake Of Increasing Anti-Semitic Attacks, More Jews Flee France (2016, and it has only increased since)
2,600 people have moved to Israel since Hamas invaded. New arrivals cite incidents of being spat on, bullied, and general rise in antisemitism
I wouldn't call 2600 people out of over 15 million especially significant.
Really? Over 2 1/2 months? In the middle of a war?
It's been over 250k in the past decade, although I don't have any information on how much of that has been due to antisemitism.
I'm just saying this is not mass migration we're talking about in terms of the population as a whole. I think we will continue to see population parity between the entire Jewish population in Israel and New York City for quite some time. In fact, New York City's Jewish population is slightly higher. 7.5 million vs. 7.2 million for all of Israel.
I only meant to draw your attention to the fact that antisemitism is driving a growing portion of Jewish migration (largely to Israel). France, for example, has seen 7% of the Jews leave in the past decade alone (over 15% since 1990 - from 530k-446k).
This is not a trend seen in other groups in France - just Jews.
Sure, I won't argue that. I think we're making two different points, to be honest.
I don't disagree with you at all. Just adding some context about how seriously antisemitism is impacting Jews in the West.
Shit man, there are even Jews who are against the very existence of Israel for religious reasons.
I mean, only a fucking ignorant racist idiot would believe the bollocks about Israel and the Jewish Religion being the same thing and I apply that to both the the morons passing laws that make demonstrating against the Israeli Genocide be treated as anti-semitism and to the morons attacking Jews because of the actions of Israel.
Mind you, in many places Neoliberalism so normalized "benevolent" racism (the kind that says "people from this ethnic group are good" or that "this nation represents this ethnicity") that it made it easy for many to flip from that into "malevolent" racism (i.e. "people of this ethnicity are bad") when the "representatives" of the ethnicity do evil shit.
This is not to justify the racism morons: I'm just pointing out that when you constantly plow and fertilize the moral ideas field with Prejudice ("people should be judged by their ethnicity"), don't be surprised when it's just as fertile to grow "people of this ethnicity are good and deserve special treatment" ideas as "people of this ethnicity are evil and deserve 'special' treatment" ones.
(Sorry for the blow up: I really detest the slimy manipulative racism of Neoliberalist Modern Politics that adjusted the tribalism, prejudice and racism of the old days into a "fashionable" format to keep using it to manipulate the masses, rather than genuinelly be "liberal" - i.e. all people are the same and should be judged by their own beliefs and actions - in the moral sense)
I don't disagree with you at all that Israel has definitely fanned the flames of antisemitism, but having been on the receiving end from people who even like Israel (many evangelicals Christians want people like me forcibly exiled to Israel so Jesus can come back), it's not just Israel.
People hate Jews for all sorts of reasons. A lot of evangelicals hate me because my ancestors apparently killed Jesus, even though it was the Romans, and that's my fault. People like Elon Musk and his ilk hate me because I apparently control the banks and Hollywood. People like Nick Fuentes hate me because Hitler hated people like me and he loves Hitler. I'm sure some people hate me just because I'm slightly different from them.
And I don't mean to restrict this to just Jews. What I saw happen to my Muslim brothers and sisters after 9/11 was disgusting, and even these days you have people essentially claiming all Muslims are terrorists. And both Jews and Muslims in America are essentially considered foreigners in our own country. I'm from Indiana, but that doesn't matter even though I guarantee you that I have more in common with a Palestinian American born in Montana than either of us have with a Jew in Israel or a Muslim in Palestine.
There is so much hate in this world.
That was the official catholic church doctrine until 1965 as well.
I've found it funny that historically Christians hate Jews so much. They worship one, after all.
That, and- didn't Jesus have to die for everyone's sins?
Shouldn't they be thanking me for my service?
It's not surprising and kinda dovetails with the point I was making: prejudice kept being cultivated throught the XX and XXI century in a different form, making the field just as fertile for traditional racism as it was making it for the (supposedly) "benevolent" racism fashionable in this era.
Whenever somebody says "ethnicity are victims" and "we should do this special thing for them we do not do for other people", what's being passed right besides the supposedly benevolent message is another, far less nice, message: "people of ethnicity are different from other people and should be treated differently from people of other ethnicities".
It didn't help that (not just in terms of ethnicity) many with the "right" "ism" went far beyond the (rightful and totally just) fight for Equality Of Treatment and took advantage of the "benevolent" prejudice for Personal Gain whilst hiding behind the group, which indirectly caused discomfort in others who saw it as unfair.
So both the supposedly anti-Racists and the Racists kept the Architecture Of Prejudice going not just in speech but even in action, and it seems to me that Jews are suffering the most from it now because the traditional anti-semites kept being assholes, and now, because of the actions of Israel, many of the people who previously believed the "positive" kind of message about Jews I listed above (which can only be believed by believing the Principles of Prejudice underlying it) flipped from a "positive" predesposition towards the ethnicity to a "negative" predesposition, whilst continuing to believe the foundation of Prejudice - i.e. they turned from being what we were told by poiticians was anti-Racism into traditional Racists.
Not only is there, as you say, so much hate in this World, but the sleazy slimy disgusting manipulation in this domain of the masses for personal gain by politicians and just greedy people hiding behind "the group" that pushed "positive" discrimination, made it immenselly easy to turn favourable opinions of group held by simpletions into unfavourable opinions of group, turning them into people unfairly hating an entire group of people for the hateful actions of a few people in that group, i.e. into traditional racists.
The real opposite of Racism is the thinking that people should only be judged on their actual actions and character and that thinking that a person's ethnicity (gender, sexual orientation or so on) makes them be in a special group and dictates their character is as moronic as thinking that the color of their eyes or the size of their feet makes them be in a special group and dictates their character.
(This is actually the kind of thinking I've had since long before all that's happenning now and going back to learning from the Dutch their posture when it comes to things like homosexuallity which is pretty much "it's all normal so I'm not going to judge people for it" - as much as possible I try to apply that to any form of prejudice on things people were born with)