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NYT finally admits that Putin's recent proposal is the most realistic scenario for how this war will pan out. (www.nytimes.com)
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Mr. Putin is already planning for victory. His latest so-called peace proposal — in which Russia keeps occupied territory and Ukraine is banned from joining NATO — was dismissed as propaganda by many Western leaders. But it is, in fact, the most realistic scenario for how this war will pan out.

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[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 months ago

I agree, this bit here is absolutely delusional

A peace deal on Mr. Putin’s terms will be bad for Ukraine. It will lose nearly 20 percent of its territory and around five million people. But that loss will be mitigated by the remarkable thwarting of Mr. Putin’s original plan to take over Kyiv and destroy Ukraine as a nation. War will stop. There will be dead to mourn, wounded to heal and a country to rebuild. Ukraine’s reputation on the global stage will be higher than ever and membership of the European Union will be in sight.

They seem to think that Russia will just stop and then the west can just go back to bringing Ukraine into EU, NATO, and so on. The reality is that whatever is left of Ukraine is going to be under tight political control by Russia going forward. Any scenario of an Ukraine that will be aligned with the west is long gone now.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

i dont see why ukraine would be worried about losing 5M people. these are the people they wanted to exterminate anyway.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago

they want to be rid of the people, they're worried about losing the real estate.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago
[-] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

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[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

They've lost more to emigration since 1991 maybe they should be more concerned about that

[-] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Ukraine’s reputation on the global stage will be higher than ever

Oh I don’t know about that… does she realize that Europe is not, in fact, the “global stage?”

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago

I wonder what it'll take for people in the west to realize that they're not in fact the whole of the world.

[-] LeniX@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Any scenario of an Ukraine that will be aligned with the west is long gone now.

Good.

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