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This hearing was crazyballs and I recommend anyone who sees this watch it. You can find it on YouTube on the house oversight page.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jul/26/ufo-hearing-congress-david-grusch-whistleblower-live-updates
Seriously a wild ride start to finish.
With absolutely zero evidence, as per usual.
Huh
No evidence, but what is different this time is an actual legal complaint with the IG with a lot of info the public can't see. Grusch's claims are fantastic and sound down right crazy, but his story has stayed the same. Plus with him being an intelligence agent for years with multiple government officials saying he's been trustworthy in the past.
I look at it as either there's some faction if the government that for some reason wants us to believe there's aliens or he's not been fed lies and there's aliens and both are pretty interesting. It also was pretty bipartisan in the hearing, I was pretty surprised to see AOC there instead of just a bunch of right wing war mongerers looking to use it as an excuse to bump military funding a bit more, and she had some great questions for Grusch.
Unfortunately if everything he says is true it would be all classified so we wouldn't hear it yet anyway making it convenient to lie, but why have a legal complaint with the IG if he just wanted to lie for fame? We've seen other UFO grifters make tons of money from people with way less effort. It's far more interesting than the normal UFO stuff just because everything seems to be handled so properly for an absolutely insane claim and either way it's going to be interesting to see what is going on, if we ever do.
If someone presents evidence in court that a reporter doesn't get to see, there is still evidence submitted.
If I had to make a wild guess, i think this dude got a hold of a bunch of misinformation that was meant to get to the Soviet’s in order to scare them into behaving in certain ways during the Cold War. It was bullshit built for another audience and somehow he got it handed his way as though it was fact. He isn’t lying, he has bad info and the fact that the info is bad is VERY classified.
Is anyone from the CIA testifying, or is it all defense folks?
How would info from the 00s be "for the soviets?"
I think you should watch the hearings.
Yeah, I probably should be more up to date on what is being said before speculating. Not sure I have the patience but perhaps that means I should just keep my mouth shut.
Sure will be interesting to see where this ends though.
I can save you two hrs (though it is a very interesting hearing). There are basically 3 possible options, given the paper trail/witnesses.
1: There is a massive public/private embezzlement scheme going on, and "off the books" UAP funding is one of the many ways funds are embezzled
2: UAPs are alien craft, past and present, and the US has some forms of these craft (some very old, some shot down or crashed recently) and studies them off the books
3: There is a massive disinformation network that our own auditing got caught up in
All 3 are pretty wild stories, from a government-transparency/constitutional balance of power concern.
Pending evidence review in a SCIF (next hearings), it seems the most likely outcome is #1 or #2, both of which are fucking crazy and worth headlines.
#1 is hardly far fetched. Create an organization in the government with a top secret rating. Divert money. Avoid all questions or fake some answers occasionally. Grift for decades.
It's not so much that it's far fetched as something we really, really want to catch and disincentivize