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Walz says Vance was ‘gaslighting’ public about Trump’s record in debate
(www.theguardian.com)
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Ugh.
He was just lying. Gaslighting is a specific thing in abusive relationships, can we not broaden the definition to be "anytime anyone lies about stuff"?
Ehh, lying is a wide thing with different motivations. Gaslighting is a malicious type of lying that is designed to undermine the victims sense of reality, their sense of self. It's meant to increase dependency on the liar.
Its normally used to describe abusive romantic relationships, but it's not that specific. It can apply to jobs, families, and yes, government.
Vance is 100% gaslighting the American public. He's twisting what happened in a torturous way to make people afraid of trusting themselves and their lying eyes. Hes casting himself and Trump as the only people that "tell the truth" by lying. That's gaslighting.
It's really troubling to me, that people's relationships with politicians can be compared to intimate relationships.
You're not wrong I guess.
Gaslighting is a term that has been applied to non-intimate relationships all the time.
In fact, you will see such accusations here on Lemmy.
Not sure if true or gaslighting.
Oh, you're sure it's true.
It wasn't always.
I don't know what to tell you- language is fluid. Calling someone silly used to mean you were saying they were blessed.
Clinical language should not be fluid. It should means something specific so that it can actually be used to help people.
We aren't in a clinical setting.
So what? It still creates confusion for no reason, gaslighting should mean something and not be muddied by popculture. That's always bad every time clinical terms get trashed and used this way.
No one here seems confused.
It's a common problem in mental health; popculture misunderstandings of afflictions like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and depression and addiction all lead people into making mistakes with their own mental health. This is just more of the same.
Is 'gaslighting' even a clinical term? Can you demonstrate this, please?
I do no care enough to do that for you, all I know is it started as a colloquialism that was adopted as a clinical term because of how useful it is and then re-entered popculture again in 2022. We lost a useful term.
I can tell you're just arguing for the sake of arguing by the way. You don't give a shit about any of this. Very Reddity
None of my searching shows it to be a clinical term. I think you just made that up.
Here's what the Cleveland Clinic says:
A "very specific" form of emotional abuse that's "over-used" to describe lying, but in truth, people uses these tactics to "deteriorate a victim’s morality, sanity and sense-of-self"
Applying this to a debate performance is troubling. He's just a lying asshole.
That doesn't make it a clinical term.
In fact:
https://www.sondermind.com/resources/articles-and-content/how-to-deal-with-gaslighting/
If it isn't in the DSM V, it is not a clinical term in psychology. It is a term for laypeople.
Seems fair.
I will note that both of our sources point out that the term has become overused, which was my fucking point.
We lost a valuable term and now it's worthless, even as a colloquialism.
I agree with you 100%, just wanted to say that you probably mean tortuous… though torturous is definitely metaphorically possible 😂