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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

You are correct. Contrarianism does not require allies.

Allies are needed for people who have plans of action, something you lack.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

He has concepts of a plan lmao

Seriously though, fuck the two party system. Vote blue in 2024 and then work to enact ranked choice voting. That's a start. There are a lot of things we need to change (e.g., gerrymandering, corporate capture, legal bribery, insider trading in Congress) but those things will never happen when both parties maintain the status quo.

Yes, both parties. Dems play lip service and then don't do much outside the norm. (To be fair, Republicans don't even pay lip service.) We need actually progressive Congresspeople/POTUS in Washington, and that's not happening without abolishing first past the post.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

No. Not both parties.

It's crazy that people like you say that after Roe was struck down. I didn't like Hillary Clinton, but the idea that she would nominate conservative justices that would strike down Roe is nonsense.

And Kamala Harris isn't planning to march brown and queer people into camps. Trump and his people are.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Sure, there are some things the parties disagree on. That's what they use to sow division and keep the system in place. But I listed four things that both parties engage in. These are just some examples of norms that are terrible for our democracy but that will not go away so long as we have this current voting system.

You asked for a plan, here it is: vote blue when you have to but the work does not stop at voting. Get in contact with grassroots organizations and make an actual difference. Or we can just tell people to vote blue every four years and wonder why Americans don't feel represented in government.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

"Some things" being a the end of legal abortion the last time and a planned genocide of two groups of people this time.

You are really glossing over that. I guess you come from a position of privilege.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 50 minutes ago

You're really good at sticking to your point and ignoring all else. I've reiterated twice now but you're clearly going to keep ignoring. (While also being sanctimonious.) I've already said we have to vote blue, what more do you want? Just to argue?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

Because my point is really fucking important and you're just dismissing it.

Expecting me to just move past what I said because you don't think it's important is silly. You do not control a two-sided discussion.

[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 26 minutes ago

My point was important too and I even stated it twice. Get off your high horse :)

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

The point that you made after you dismissed mine, yes. Sorry, that's not how this works.

And this is a really poor way of getting out of the fact that genocides of queer and brown people is really not a big issue to you.

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago

Since you have no plans, your thoughts are useless by your logic.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

What makes you think I have no plans? I have plans.

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Let us know when you come up with any. I'm guessing the world won't be holding its collective breath for you to be of any help.

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

If you think a plan for human salvation can fit in a forum comment, I don't think you should risk any damage holding your breath for long.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I see no indication of empathy or compassion from your collective statements. Only contempt and contrarianism and a lot of ego.

Human salvation? I don't believe you have a plan of any length to help anyone, anywhere, save yourself.

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

With armchair psychologists of your caliber available at all hours, how are licensed professionals still in business?

Somehow you are able to evaluate total strangers' capacities for empathy and compassion from a few forum comments, it's an incredible ability and you deserve whatever size ego you enjoy from it.

You haven't laid out any meaningful or useful plans yet, so do I have to pretend your words still hold meaning by your logic?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I think you just proved my point re: empathy and compassion.

You haven’t laid out any meaningful or useful plans yet

You seem to have forgotten that you declared unprompted that I was not your ally. Why would I tell you my plans?

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

You forgot you demanded a stranger spoon feed you the an oversimplified "plan" for the improvement of society.

You, who show equally zero understanding and curiosity regarding easily available knowledge on the Internet of your supposed "knowledge quest."

You forgot your obsession with plans such that anything non-plan can be conveniently dismissed.

I hope you enjoy your "proved point."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This is what you are calling a demand:

Feel free to take a break from the endless sarcasm and let us know what course of action you think people should be taking and what would get them to take it.

If you consider someone saying to you to feel free to do something to be a demand, you are the most irrationally high-strung person I have ever talked to.

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Without more to go on, I will take that to mean that yes, you do consider people telling you to feel free to do something to be a demand and are, therefore, the most irrationally high-strung person I have ever talked to.

Good luck with that.

[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Ok, here's more to go on:

There is no longer anything interesting about engaging with you further.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And yet you keep engaging with me.

I predict that, rather than stopping, you will reply again, maybe with 'ok,' thinking you'll get the last word. Shall we see how that will work out for you?

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago
[-] Cleggory@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Did you think of that one all by yourself??

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