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I know gator-aid and its like advertise that they have lots of them. And I know sometimes I feel bad if I sweat a lot and just drink water. But are they just advertising... salt? Are there different kinds of electrolytes, and if so are they interchangable?

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[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 150 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Effectively, yes. "Electrolytes" is a collective term for the ions that help move stuff into and out of your cells. These are primarily sodium and potassium, although calcium also plays a role. Sodium is the most important of these for sports drinks, because it is the one you most lose through sweat.

Unfortunately, most sports drinks don't really contain enough to balance out heavy sweating, because sodium salt (aka normal salt) tastes, unsurprisingly, salty. If a drink had the right balance of sodium, it would be noticeably salty. Gatorade has one line of drinks that do that, and Pedialyte is specially made for the correct balance. Sports drinks really jack up the sugar to help hide the salt taste.

Most sports drinks, rather than having the sodium you need to replace sweat, instead jack up the potassium (think Prime and it's advertised 843mg of electrolytes, 700mg of which is potassium). This doesn't really replace the electrolytes you need, but it also doesn't make the drink nearly as salty.

When you see "electrolytes", you should flip around to the nutrition label, which must list the actual amounts of sodium and potassium. This will tell you if it will actually help you recover from activity, or if it's just more sugar water and advertising.

Edited to add:

why is sodium so important? Because your cells use a mechanism called "osmosis" to move water back and forth. Water molecules naturally move from areas of high concentration to areas of lower concentration. In the cell, this means that water will go in to the cell if the inside of the cell has more sodium than the outside, and leave the cell when the outside has more than the inside.

When you sweat, two things happen: you lose water and you lose sodium you lose more water than sodium, so your blood becomes saltier. Water moves from inside your cells to your blood; this is what it means to be "dehydrated". To counter it, you need to dilute your blood and increase the amount of sodium in your cells. Hence, drinking water with sodium can help replenish both and speed recovery from dehydration.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sodium is also used for all the electrical activity of our body (such as thinking and moving and living...), and is fundamental in adsorption of nutritions in digestion. Sodium, potassium and calcium are so important that it is difficult to even list all processes they are involved.

Edit. To add context our cells spend between 30 and 70 % of their energy to move around sodium and potassium ions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium%E2%80%93potassium_pump A good chunk of what we eat is to move them around

[-] Pixel 11 points 11 months ago

such as thinking and moving and living

bold of you to assume

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Yup, they are the basic electron donators for almost everything. In the context of sports drinks tho, hyponatremia is the #2 threat (after hypernayremia, funnily enough), so the rest of it was sort of overcomplicating

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They don't donate electrons. When metallic sodium or potassium donate electrons they burn, explosively. It doesn't happen in our bodies. It happens by simple contact with water.

They are already in their ionic form in our body. They cross membranes as ions, creating a potential difference across the membranes. Allowing ions to diffuse along the gradient generates the electric signals of our brains, or triggers the muscle contraction, among other things

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Ah, thanks for the clarification

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

So you're saying... they are the electrons. Woahhh.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are positively charged so electrical signals are actually not created by long migrations of electrons, but by short diffusion of positive charges across membranes, that temporarily reverse local polarization. This depolarization triggers nearby regions to do the same, creating depolarization waves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depolarization

It's very fascinating, also because controlling the cross membrane diffusion of ions allows for controlling the signals. Which is what neurotransmitters do

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I know man, I was just being silly. My first degree was in physiology and pharmacology so I'm very familiar with nerve signalling.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] Ilikepornaddict@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 11 months ago

Maybe, but do you really think you could keep that down?

[-] Graphy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I’ll practice with a smaller banana to train my gag reflex

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

That sounds horrible. Can you share the link?

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

I actually take electrolyte tablets with me when I hike. Hyponatremia (having dangerously low salt levels) can really sneak up on you when you are hiking in the heat for four or five days straight. You keep hydrated, but there just isn't enough salt in your food to replace what you lose. Dropping a straight tablet of salt can really help balance that

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Our diets are already rich in sodium. Because it makes food more tasteful.

You really don't need any additional sodium

Edit. Who downvoted a basic fact? Sodium is table salt guys, we already eat enough of it

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

This is quite true. The only people who need to worry about this on the regular are endurance athletes (and people with equivalent jobs). Anything where you are working at an elevated heart rate and sweating for hours or days. Not common for joggers or people who shoot hoops after work

[-] habanhero@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Fantastic ELI5, excellent response. Thank you!

[-] Irrelevant_Elephant@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

This is an awesome ELI5, thanks for helping me to better understand this!

[-] ech@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Funnily, I actually just recently watched an episode of Kurzgesagt that explains how osmosis and diffusion work in cells. Pretty cool stuff!

Link to the episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1KkQrFEl2I

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

So would you say 500-510mg Na to 370-380mg K is a good ratio for a drink additive? Trying to figure out where liquid IV (or is it Liqvid IV? Lol) stacks up.

[-] RojaBunny@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'm a bit curious in this too. I don't have an answer for you but totally anecdotal, I do notice I feel noticeably better even just halfway through a liquid IV which I've never noticed with any other sports drinks.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

Eh, anything that close to what your blood is at normal levels works out pretty well. Liquid IV and LMNT and so forth do pretty well... But depending on your activity, acclimation, and the temp, you might need several packets to make up. I run, so I am very acclimated, and that makes your sweat more. So in summer when I do multi day hikes, I take electrolyte tablets with me. It can really sneak up, so just swallowing a salt tablet makes it a lot easier to balance.

Here's a thorough (long) video by Gear Skeptic where he breaks down a lot of this within the frame of through hiking (usually 100+ miles) https://youtu.be/pcowqiG-E2A

[-] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago

Back in high school I had some friends tour an NFL stadium. They got to see the field and locker rooms and all. I didn't get to go with them, so while they were in the locker rooms they stole a bunch of these powdered electrolyte drinks they had out for the players and brought some back for me. I remeber trying them and they tasted like straight sweat. It makes sense, but they were gross. Same flavor as licking someone's forehead.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Apply directly from forehead.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

That's how you know it's working

[-] swab148@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Same flavor as licking someone's forehead.

[-] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 3 points 11 months ago

Is it easy to make such a drink yourself? And at least a bit drinkable?

[-] Today@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I buy this and add it to my water. Use a little less than a 'serving' first time at it can activate your gut - maybe from the magnesium? Buying it by the bag makes it much much cheaper than liquid iv.

https://www.bouldersaltcompany.com/shop/

[-] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the Intel.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Since what you really need to replace is sodium, you could just make salt water. But there are a lot of products that make it easier My preferred are Salt Stick caps... It's a tablet so you don't need to taste it at all

[-] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago

Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks

[-] Classy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Also this explains why after I have a particularly hard day at work, the thing that makes me feel the most regulated is a piece of steak that's very heavily salted.

Fat and protein, cartilage, sodium

[-] Jackolantern@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Great eli5! Thank you!

[-] Classy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

So in times of heavy exercise, is it better then to effectively drink saline? Assuming one doesn't mind the salty taste.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Well, during heavy excercise, a lot more than salt is lost. Another thing lost is blood glucose. It can help you recover to replece the glucose as well, so the sugar in sports drinks can be useful as well.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

You could buy ORS (oral rehydration salt) from a pharmacy and mix it in water. Make sure the packet follows the WHO formula, and that you add the correct amount of water. If these are not available, the WHO recommends 3 g salt and 18 g sugar per litre (roughly 1 teaspoon and 6 teaspoons per litre) of water. But this will not have potassium and other minerals.

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