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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Completely and utterly false.

Every single western country outside of America has hate speech laws without issue.

A) they are not that open ended and subjective

B) the idea that laws can't be open ended, subjective, or governed through intent and spirit of the law, is only the case in the dumbass American legal system that has been intentionally ruined by simple minded Republicans, which insist on every edge case being explicitly covered by a law or legislation because they know that makes it impossible to effectively write laws or govern.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

You get crazy things in other countries though, like truth not being a defense for libel\slander.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

In which countries is that the case?

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago
[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

The UK is the weird outlier but there is still a defense of truth in the UK. The difference is that the person accusing you of defamation doesn't have to prove that you're wrong and you do have to prove that you're right.

[-] remon@ani.social 1 points 1 week ago

Every single western country outside of America has hate speech laws without issue.

So does the US. Just not for ordinary people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_government_officials_of_the_United_States

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Those would not be considered hate speech laws in other countries, just normal no-uttering-threats laws. Hate Speech laws typically protect against inciting hatred or violence against an identifiable group, actually uttering threats is typically a different broader law.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Love the timing making it so easy to disprove your argument. Just look at the flood of European countries abusing broad and ambiguous hate speech laws to crush dissent and crack down on criticism of Israel.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

You're talking about the one instance of Germany ruling that a single controversial slogan was hate speech?

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago
[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

These are mostly incidents of people publicly expressing support for Hamas, and being arrested for expressing support for a designated terrorist organization, and pretty much all confined to the UK, which has some of the weakest individual protections in the EU / western world.

They also don't have Nazi parades down their streets in 2024.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago
[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah, you're so terminally online that you brand anyone who mildly disagrees with you a 'bot'.

Tho fair point about the EDL.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

No, not at all.

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