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Renewables require industry and high tech to produce and maintain. If you go far enough back to establish a foothold, your renewables will most likely not be functioning by the time colonists arrive. If you settle just before they do, you won't be able to have much advantage. In either case, unless you go really far back, you're still settling and taking land from indigenous people.
What are you hoping to achieve?
Hey they said I could take anything. That includes whatever is needed to keep them functioning. I'm trying to buy us more time before environmental collapse. Cause at this rate we aren't solving shit. There isn't a single place you can go back to where someone or something isn't harmed or changed in the process.
I understand; I'm saying, you'd need to take back an entire industry to produce photovoltaics, batteries for storage, the computer control systems; or the high-tensile composites needed to build wind turbines, the fine machining to produce electric motors and wiring, and the cranes and such to raise them. You'd need to clear swaths of land for either, although you might be able to set up in the great plains, but in any case, all of the current renewable tech is high tech supported by countless other industries. You'd be taking back a civilization, to make it all work. And then you'll need agriculture to feed all those people, housing for them to live, clothing, and so on; and which native tribe are you going to steal land from to put all of this?
Alright is there another hypothetical you wanna take way too seriously or just mine? It simply said whatever I want and thats what I'd want. It didnt say small scale, or any other restrictions. And if you really want to know I'd jack Greer Arizona, which as far as I know, Molly Butler settled there first.
You could probably fit it all into AZ. You'd still need oil wells and refineries somewhere; there are still plastics involved. And rare metal mines - mines in general, for metals, so you'd probably need outposts in other states, and then a rail system to get materials to AZ. Feeding people would be hard on AZ, though, so you'd definitely need to clear forests in the Midwest and put in a bunch of factory farms to produced food.
The US might have enough of everything to support this, although I suspect some rare metals would be difficult to source, as many of our's comes from other countries. However, maybe you could stockpile enough to last. You need the rare metals, but maybe a few tonnes of processed would be enough to last?
That's what they said. Whatever would make it work.
It would also have the benefit of taking a large group of people of the society they grew up with brought back with them. Then they'd not be just one person or a few people from modern society around with them.
Great idea, really.