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[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (9 children)

OK, what else do you suggest? Not voting? That just speeds the process up. Voting for the small but much better option? In a FPTP voting system (like the American one that I assume you're talking about), the spoiler effect means that's as good as not voting.

This is my issue with the leftist community in general, and especially the ml group. Because of idealism, they seem to ask for something that doesn't exist and not accept anything else.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As good as that video is, he ignores the strength elections have as damage control. Yes, large positive change needs the sort of efforts he's describing, but ignoring voting means a bad government will have far more opportunity to undo progress.

Really, the biggest takeaway from that video is that there are more tools than simply voting and protesting, which I don't think anyone is disagreeing with.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 months ago (35 children)

I don't think you got the main point of the video. Not only "large" change needs these efforts. Any progressive change does. As soon as there is no pressure by mass movements, politicians will drift to strengthen their power, which means moving to the right.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (8 children)

As good as that video is, he ignores the strength elections have as damage control.

Was supporting genocide "damage control?"

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

OK, what else do you suggest?

I suggest that the party take the fucking hint and move to the left. But that's not an option you will consider.

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