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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I’ve grappled with “retard” & “bitch” (made a thread about it a couple months ago too, trying to form/reform my opinion).

Clearly we have to be careful with any messages industry pushes. With that said -

What do you think about these statements from Special Olympians?

CC: @yeahiknow3@lemmings.world

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I appreciate your good faith response. I see and empathize with your perspective. To play devil’s advocate, you can’t control whether a group of people decide, out of the blue, to internalize hurtful language that isn’t aimed at them. The N-word had a very specific target and a very cruel purpose. The word “retard” did not. It basically has the same vernacular trajectory as “moron,” or “idiot.” From medical diagnosis to non-specific pejorative. Why aren’t those synonyms verboten? Because people like to make things about themselves.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I literally had an argument with @PugJesus@lemmy.world about this a while back where he declared retard as against sub rules but then continued to call the poster a moron. They're the same fucking word from different time periods on the treadmill of what is politically correct.

Either both are slurs that shouldn't be used or both are acceptable.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They’re the same fucking word from different time periods on the treadmill of what is politically correct.

Either both are slurs that shouldn’t be used or both are acceptable.

That's not how language works, and unless you go around calling Black folk 'colored', you understand that in other contexts. What words are acceptable and what connotations they have change with time and usage.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So moron is acceptable now because all the people impacted by the discrimination are dead, so we just need to wait for the retards to die off before we can use the word again?

The same group of people and behaviours are/were described by both words.

But we've been over this and confirmed we do not and will not see eye to eye on this.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

Dude, it’s the euphemism treadmill. You exercise your mind while making other people more comfortable to be around you. Your complaint has existed for hundreds of years, and will only lead to poorer social connectivity. Just hop on and put on some tunes

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -1 points 5 months ago

It comes from the medical diagnosis "mental retardation". It was designed from the beginning to target disabled people.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To break down my response to this

The R-word is EXCLUSIVE

There are people with high intelligence and those with low intelligence, bandying about with different words will never change that. Intelligence is crucial in social, economic and evolutionary terms. They are correct no one would ever want to be lacking in intelligence because it would only make life worse. There will always be a need for a word to describe someone of lower intellect, or describe an argument or position as being thoughtless, in order to dismiss the person or idea as quickly as possible with as little engagement possible. Preferably while using small words so they understand.

You can still say they have a room temperature IQ but they might not get the meaning...

We are someone that is not your kind.

I agree, and I would not want someone with an IQ of 70 to be in the military, or to be a teacher, or a doctor, as each of those scenarios would likely result in disaster not just for the 70 IQ individual but for everyone impacted by them.

Everyone has a gift

Yea no. This "everyone is special" bullshit just isn't how the world works. The universe doesn't care about you, the world is a harsh place where the unfit died early deaths until really intelligent people worked out how to increase food production, developed medicines, surgeries and hygiene.

Retard equates intellectual disability with being DUMB or STUPID

You only need to look up the etymology and history of clinical usage of both dumb and stupid to realise they were used to describe the same groups of people and behaviours during different time periods. More bullshit on the treadmill.

I refuse to censor the word retard while moron, stupid, dumb and idiot are considered fine. To censor a synonym of acceptable words, is to put it bluntly, fucking retarded.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is true, if you use it against disabled poeple. I only use it against moronic able poeple who should know better.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago

Honestly, that's maybe worse. If you're using it to say something bad about someone else, that means it's a bad thing and should be condemned. The people who it is actually meant to apply to (in its original meaning) then see them, as a group, as a thing that is insulting to even be associated with.

It's wild how hard critical thought is for some people while discussing a word about intelligence...