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Image is of Elon Musk giving the Nazi salute a week or so ago.


I didn't really want to keep spotlighting American domestic events as I had assumed that shit would calm down pretty quickly, but it appears that the Trump administration, including Musk, are determined to bring down the empire from the inside.

One of the most important lessons of ruling a country - and especially an empire - is to never, ever believe your own propaganda; and yet now we have neo-Nazi failsons disrupting parts of the imperial apparatus and causing general government mayhem because they actually seem to believe in libertarianism; that the state and the capitalists are somehow in opposition, rather than working in lockstep to maximise profit and boost American hegemony around the world.

I'm not so optimistic as to believe that a national collapse is FOUR DAYS AWAY, like those weird anti-China cranks often speculate - the US has at least a decade or two left even under these conditions. But consider the damage being inflicted in these past couple weeks, and extrapolate that over the next four years. Does any living American political figure possess the competency to halt - or even meaningfully slow - the already ongoing decline? And could they achieve power (or even be allowed to do so) after Trump's term is done?


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[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 17 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Great, so at best, a fascist Italian associated salute or colonial Vichy France one.

I feel like the story goes that some Phalangist Lebanese activists took note of their salutes, and imitated them in such style, then the others were inspired, despite its sketchy origins.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 21 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

French colonization of Lebanon predates Vichy France.

The "Roman salute" fell back into favor (really was more like invented) during/after the French Revolution though artwork meant to evoke civillian loyalty to the state/nation. I believe it was used by the armies of Napoleonic France in some fashion, but don't quote me on that one. The French Revolution, as a cultural touchstone for republican and nationalist political ideology, inspired not just the fascists salutes but also the Bellamy salute that was developed decades prior to the fascist one. They all had the same intent that the artwork did: invoking loyalty to the state. It's was during/immediately after WW2 that the meaning shifted to be about fascism, at least in the minds of Europeans/Angloids.

I don't know how the PFLP or Hezbollah came to be doing it, because it doesn't seem to be well documented (at least in English). The Lebanese wanted the US to administer their state before the British and French did Sykes Picot. Maybe it comes from the Bellamy salute, I don't really know. But I'm willing to give Hezbollah and PFLP a bit more of the benefit of the doubt than Elon Musk given that I haven't seen either party show up at an AfD rally or talk about white birth rates.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Doubt the PFLP cares about what westerners think of their salutes

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but more or less, my point is it WAS more or less a Phalange thing/a Lebanese Christian Ultra-nationalist thing.

I don't recall saying anything relating the PFLP to these salutes

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The use of this salute among Arab/Middle Eastern armies predates the Phalangists.

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 3 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago) (1 children)

If y'all want to say that Hezbollah and the PFLP are fascist, then just come out and say it. I'm not about to spend my evening digging around in old military photos for you to prove that a salute that is already well-established to predate fascist usage by a couple centuries predates fascists usage. I have limited patience to deal with IDF propaganda talking points in this community.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 3 points 15 minutes ago

Fucking absurd discourse to have in the news mega of all places