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America was never the good guy and torture at Guantanamo existed under multiple democrat presidents
That's just wrong but I understand how it might seem like that to anyone who wasn't born yet when it wasn't true.
Was Guantanamo open for extrajudicial torture under Dubya, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump? Yes or no?
When in your view was America the good guy?
For Optional, anytime a Democrat is office.
Empire, with a smile!™
Which part of that was wrong? Oh I forgot. Union soldiers along with lincoln freed the slaves and we fought the Nazis in ww2 despite many of our capitalists supporting them. Two glimmers of good in our history.
And if you don’t think torture in Guantanamo didn’t exist under Obama I don’t know what to tell you.
Yeah, the never part.
You think emancipation and WWII were “glimmers”? Okay.
In 250 years of history, not counting the colonial times that started beforehand which would date back to 1619 and make conservatives cry…. Yeah. Those are glimmers of good in centuries of bad.
What's your unit of measurement there? I'm guessing whatever it is is "per year"?
What’s your point? America has a had a few good years out of 250, or 400 if we’re counting the colonial times. The fact that you’re arguing with me about Americas history of being mostly shitty is serious fucking cope.
What's "cope"? Actually, what are we arguing about? I don't disagree that those things are true.
I do disagree that countries can be "good" or "bad" without any other qualifiers such as "at healing the sick" or something. I also disagree that something (or someone) can be only all-good or all-bad, which is the only phrasing you're using even though you probably also don't think someone can be all-good or all-bad.
"If we're counting colonial times" is also interesting - what, like Jamestown counts as America? or the original 13 colonies? That seems a little bogus as they didn't even have cybertrucks or toxic waste then.
1619 is a reference to the start of the slave trade in North America 🙄
Blocking you because you’re just asking questions and acting like a debate me bro
As Optional often is. Dude will gladly defend the horrid shit Democrats do in office and then act disgusted when Republicans do it.
Yeah ain’t nobody got time for that
Finally.