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They don't realize this yet.
Even when they do, few will admit it.
I wish I knew people in 2004 who defended the afghanistan/iraq war. I'd ask them today if they still feel it was justified.
Some do, some don’t. Check the change in bush’s approval ratings for a decent approximation of likelihood
My coworker said the other day he wished trump would be more like W Bush (both he voted for) so i presume not only does he still think it was good but wants more of it
I’m trying to not talk about it for my sanity
That's really not one conflict. Conflating them was what the US regime at the time tried to do to whitewash their decisions.
Also, at least you do know people who were completely cool when everyone just pulled out of Afghanistan leaving the folk that worked with them to suffer the reprisals of the Taliban, so ask them if it was worth it.
You mean the Trump plan? That Trump developed? No, we were not cool with it
They were both unnecessary wastes of life and resources that were started for all the wrong reasons, so kind of.
The Taliban tried to give America Osama Bin Laden but they wanted something in exchange, so they invaded and suffered 20 years of war over such audacious demands.
The thing about Al-Qaeda and 9/11 is that it was always a Saudi operation.
The 9/11 attacks done by Al-Qaeda were Saudi. Al-Qaeda itself is a bit different, right, but I meant strictly in the context of the US invading Afghanistan and ousting the Taliban.
So 'the Al-Qaeda operation of 9/11 was Saudi' would be a more accurate way to put it.
In a strict legalist sense, yes. There is no direct connection with the governing Saudi monarchy and the operations of islamist organization Al-Qaeda. That is absolutely correct.
Right. In the same way the King bears responsibility for the assassination of Kashoggi because he was King and it happened under his reign. Not because he had anything directly to do with it.
Sure, as this dynamic is of a similar nature as the relationship between explicit anti-government organizations like the Oath Keepers and the American government.
It's quite fine that it doesn't make sense with such an interpretation of what I said. I haven't even disagreed with such refutation as a result.
Al Qaeda was all over the place. Wasn't a single Afghani on any of those planes. There were, however, 15 Saudis (out of 19 hijackers). The attack was planned by a Saudi. The organization was run by a Saudi, and funded by Saudis.
And yet, when we finally got bin laden, it wasn't in Afghanistan. He moved, easily, with Saudi money. Thousands of Americans were killed with weapons paid for by Saudi money, held by troops recruited and trained with Saudi money. Seems like if we had cut off the Saudi money this thing would have been over a hell of a lot faster.
How dare they blame the country most directly involved
Perhaps because it's the same nation that funded them
Also lol at "some". Yeah, 15 out of 19 is "some".
I don't think we should have attacked anyone. We should have sanctioned the fuck out of Saudi Arabia. Cut off the funding and al Qaeda dissolves on its own without firing a shot.
As opposed to targeting the people not responsible for these actions with death, as the war hurt regular afghanis the most?
Your entire approach to to this subject is bordering on Bond villlan levels of evil. Why does your breath smell like al saud semen?
Oh they act like there were bad actors that manipulated the innocent US. The president was just making the best decisions he could smh.
Oh they think they saved it, while their food stamps are going away and tariffs are going into place.
Don't forget how their taxes went up to pay for the tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy
There was a rumor going around that everybody was going to get checks from DOGE, people were talking about what they would do with the money when they got it.
I've got a coworker askeng when the no tax on overtime takes effect. The other day he was going on about it passing and every Democrat voting against it. I told him that the bill didn't say anything about no tax on overtime, it still has to pass the Senate, and it's going to cause Medicaid to collapse. He just denies, saying Medicaid isnt going to go away.
"It could never happen here! Why would they just ruin people's lives like that? They're just getting rid of government waste! Now pardon me, I have some more sand to stick my head in."
I also have coworkers like that. My condolences.
None of the ones in my circle have recognized it nor do I think they will. They're going down and taking the rest of us with them.
I've seen a few that have admitted regret. Unfortunately not enough of them.
It's beginning