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Farmer relies on government grants and immigrant workers.

Farmer votes for candidate who vows to block government grants and immigrant workers.

Farmer is surprised when government grants and immigrant workers are blocked.

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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 90 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The farm has been in her family for generations but has struggled over the past several years amid the rising cost of fuel, fertilizer and other operating expenses. [...] Since taking over the family farm in 2019 [...]

While I fully admit running a farm is a massive endeavor, the fact that the farm started having persistent issues shortly after she took over indicates to me that at least part of the problem is poor management.

“The American worker doesn’t like labor, they don’t like to do laborious jobs,” Carlson said. “They don’t want to do the hard labor, and that’s what’s frustrating, because we would love to hire U.S. workers, but we can’t get them to show up. We can’t get them to follow through. We can’t get them to finish the season.”

The American worker is perfectly happy to perform laborious jobs - just not at the rate you're willing to pay them. It's called "acting your wage".

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Americans, even if they're paid well, will not go stand in the sun for 12 hours a day. Sometimes it's not about money. Sometimes it's about the job being shit and you need to change the job.

But also money.

[–] valkyre09@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the point is why bust your balls in the sun for 12 hours a day when you can make the same money doing basic clerical work in an air conditioned office

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

or slightly less hours, and money at retail even.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In Australia, Construction workers, mining workers, etc. do that. They are just compensated well for it.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sounds like they need improved worker protections. Maybe unionize.

12 hours of work a day is inappropriate.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago

Trade jobs can be surprisingly seasonal. My dad, who does mostly commercial HVAC work, works himself to the bone in early spring and fall. Plenty of downtime, usually, outside of those areas.

If you're hourly, or laid off in the downtime, you want to work when you can. Even if it's for 12 hours straight.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

12 hours of work a day is inappropriate.

I did that for years, its so they can run two shifts, had lots of days off though. I worked 14 on 7 off, then 8 on 6 off. Some are 7 on 7 off. 12 hr shift though. They are also paid extremely well. All meals are paid for etc.

What they don't get is a "normal life ", lots of marital breakdows, spousal abuse when they do get home, parters cheating etc.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd have to be making well upwards of six figures to be willing to stand in the sun for 12 hours a day.

The jobs that pay the least are the ones that should pay the most.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

The jobs that pay the least are the ones that should pay the most.

Dave Graeber made the pont about some of the most important jobs there are, end up with shitty wages and conditions. What's more important then food? without it, nothing else can happen.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Negative. Tons of trade jobs make bank and those guys work 12+ hours during peak seasons.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

back breaking work, will wear out the body so fast, like around 40ish. thats why trades is not liked by everyone but men, and only specific demographics too.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The pay does do it for some jobs. I was up on a rooftop in -10F wind at 1AM for several hours a month ago fixing a furnace. But I was being paid $50 per hour (in a very low COL area) to do it so I was happy to do it and would be hapy to do it again. I regualrly have to crawl around in the nastiest places in places like meat cutting plants, work in -20F freezers, or on rooftops in scorching heat, but I get paid well to do it and my employer treats me well so I can say I actually love my job. People will not only put up with some miserable conditions if you pay them enough and treat them well but they will often even enjoy it.

The problem is farm work is miserable while still paying like shit and, to top it all off, usually the ones in charge are entitled assholes like the one in the article.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

For me it's literally about hours per day. People shouldn't have to choose between making a living and knowing their kids growing up.

But yeah, hard work should pay more to make it worth it.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The oil/gas industry is a counter example to this.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

those jobs are also super dangerous too. usually it targets the same people that votes trump anyways, because thier state doesnt have much of an economy outside of oil or gas.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sure but the point is that claiming white people won’t do tough jobs is a lie perpetuated by the owner class to suppress wages and reduce class solidarity.

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't that just the free market in action? Can't find workers, raise the wages until you do. Supply and demand right there. You demand workers and they demand you supply an acceptable wage.

[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

No, not like that. These entitled workers should be falling over to thank their employer for the jerbs they created and kiss the ring for paying them what they are legally required to. Duh! (big /s on that one)

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In defense of farms, they're squeezed from both ends. She's not entirely wrong that it's getting harder and harder to be an independent farmer and as things get worse, the small farms are bought up by the mega corporations.

What she's wrong about is that a carpetbagger from manhattan would ever do anything for her. One of the big things that would help small farmers get labor would be for this country to get a real single payer healthcare option. Many, many people would tolerate a lower wage if their healthcare was covered. We could also start getting rid of the subsidies that only the major farms get and are using it to undercut smaller farms. Two things the republicans would never do.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

i dont they will still tolerate farm work, even with universial healthcare, with healthcare they can quit other brutal jobs and work part time in a low-intensive job.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

What do they want to pay? Minimum wage for 60 hours per week with no overtime.

When your business requires the exploition of cheap labor, you deserve to go bankrupt.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

the first part is probably from COVID increasing the cost everything else, and trying to low-ball immigrant pays. some people on reddit on the very same post, why doesnt the family work on the farm.