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Image of destruction in Mandalay, Myanmar, from Al Jazeera.


As if the ongoing civil war wasn't enough, Myanmar has now been struck by a very powerful earthquake, resulting in 2000 deaths and thousands more injured as of the time of writing. Estimates are that the death toll could reach 10,000. Infrastructure like roads and bridges are damaged, and the hospitals are overwhelmed. The earthquake struck during Eid prayers, resulting in even higher casualties as several mosques collapsed. 20 million people already required humanitarian assistance in Myanmar, and now the situation there will be even worse. International rescue teams have rushed into the country, and aid is being raised, though with USAID experiencing the... changes that it is, the United States will be of even more limited help than usual. So far, China has sent $14 million, while USAID has supplied $2 million. In Thailand, the death toll seems considerably lower, though there has still been significant damage; a skyscraper under construction collapsed in Bangkok.

Myanmar is located very close to the boundary between the Eurasian and Indian tectonic plates. In particular, the country is divided in two by the north-south oriented Sagaing fault. This fault is typically strike-slip; that is, each side of the fault moves horizontally past each other. The earthquake's depth was 10 kilometers, which is pretty shallow, and its proximity to the surface amplified the felt force of the earthquake. Additionally, the soft soil in this region tends to further amplify seismic waves through a process called liquefaction. Combine all this with the lackluster building codes due to many years of impoverishment and civil wars, and this explains why the death toll, and the expense to the country in general to repair damage, will probably be extremely high.


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[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

can someone explain what's going on with the whole abundance thing the libs are trying to sell btw like what sort of theorists/schools of thought are they drawing on and what are they even advocating for

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Treatlerite utopianism. They think we should strive for the world where our tv shows and burgers are less expensive

https://youtu.be/9w5rYhKL83E

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

They want a more high tech version of "1 billion Americans" book. Instead they still believe that government shouldn't play an active role in building all the infrastructure needed for that high tech amazon delivery drone flying society as they think that market and VC can do it better.

It's basically a Democrats project 2025 for their future election.

Also there is a lot of fun made on all the proposal for megaprojects for saudi arabia, but it is not so different from the pipe dream proposed from the book

There are some more concrete propositions that are now done by the republicans and a lot of aspirational stuff seems to be inspired by the Chinese model.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wait, thats literally "just do neoliberalism again but call it something else"

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

~~third way~~ ~~stakeholder capitalism~~ ~~forward party~~ ~~populism~~ ~~green capitalism~~ ~~en marche~~ ~~technocracy~~ ~~common sense~~ ~~bazaar islamism~~ ~~islamic technocracy~~

[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

market and VC can do it better.

damn if they can do it better why haven't they done so yet then? thonk

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

because it's a sales pitch for VCs and silicone valley to finance the Democratic Party Consultant Job Guaranteed Program.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

because of red tape and government bureaucracy of course!

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is literally one of the points in the book, we can't do innovation because the bureaucracy is full of degrowth people therefore we need to destroy red tape to allows green innovation (ironic because Doge is doing that and Musk is technically still a green capitalist, according to truanon some interviewer asked Klein about this point and he seems uncomfortable towards the question).

What is ironic is that the end goal of the society proposed by Klein is a society where the resources are allocated to have environmentally sustainable growth which is what degrowth is about.

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In the book, their ideal America is one where drones deliver Ozempic manufactured in low earth orbit to stop Americans from getting too fat eating lab grown meat

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do think it's interesting that they've created a positive vision of the future after their project for decades being a slightly improved version of the status quo. I guess it's hard to sell people on that when things have been getting incrementally worse that whole time

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think Abundance has caught on because it offers a vision of some kind for the future, and not just a promise of the status quo with a few changes like libs have been pushing for decades

[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

They want zoning reform, but are diametrically opposed to being part of an economically populist program which includes zoning reform.

If a Bernie sanders type politician started talking about zoning reform, they would pivot to something else.

Just like "popularism", "effective altruism", "YIMBY" etc, it's just a cudgel against the left to assuage voters' fears about oligarchy and redirect populist demands into something that's more acceptable to capital.

If you point any of this out, they accuse you of being a luddite degrowth fanatic who just doesn't want to "build stuff", if you question whether deregulation is the best way to "build stuff" they just stop talking.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

theorists/schools of thought

A. Treatler et al.

[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

as per usual then i fear.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago

Luxury YIMBY neoliberalism

[–] rufuscrispo@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

my guess is that it is no larger project, and certainly no deeply felt cause, other than stage setting for the next rounds of dem primaries. abundance + the gavin newsom podcast are establishing the guardrails for what the consultant class see as manageable, acceptable brands to sell.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

it's neoliberal yimbyism

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

Atlantic neoliberalism with a huge placebo dose of ordoliberalism

Focus is more on state/private collaboration for the sake of deregulation, instead of the usual American neolib formula of deregulation for the sake of private/state collaboration

They switched the policy order because of a confidence crisis due to Trump and general conditions, leading them to believe state intervention is needed to preserve neoliberal policy dominance