If you can do it, you would be my hero. In honest truth, if these people could be mobilized to real action, or cause real problems to the status-quo, I feel it would take a uniquely, effectively-if-not-literally superhuman being.

Remember, these are the same types of people who screamed how they would "riot" if they over-turned Roe-V-Wade. Look at Jan 6th. See the difference? Twitter posts versus a literal attempted coup and multiple attempted (or at the very least, desired) murders, on top of the actual "acabs" that were harmed. Hell, Bill O'Rilley called Dr. Tiller, "Doctor Tiller the baby killer" until one of his fucked in the head listeners assassinated him for providing medical care to women (in a church, if I recall?). Give me one liberal with any soapbox and following of, of any note, who has spat 1/100th of the level of vitriol and consistent hate towards these evil fuck who let preteens die of medical complications and/or give birth to children made ofremoved, that evil Irish fuck did to a doctor doing real, good, medical work.

Bill changed the world (for the worse) Rachael Maddow, or whichever "liberal" you want to use, collects their fucking check and goes home. You'd need to fundamentally change their worldview, and since their worldview is based on the vapid, billionaire-controlled media they consume, you'd need to change that. Good luck.

[–] SovietBeerTruckOperator@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah a few years ago I would have been in the "well maybe this will radicalize some Libs" camp, but I'm pretty cynical now. I've seen several waves of these liberal protests and at best I think they're are useless and at worse actually counter productive. It really just feels like an irl r/politics thread.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

People that go on protests for NATO isnt the group that should be targeted for radicalization. The “non-voters” harbor the greatest potential of possible class consciousness. They are already alienated from the state and too busy working or making ends meet.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

There were a lot of first-time protesters at these protests. The material conditions are such that the number of "non-political" folk will be shrinking and they will be looking for something to do and get coopted by these events.

A lot of protests, riots, and strikes started organically in other revolutions (like the French or Russian one). The Bolsheviks were able to take advantage of the Russian ones even though they didn't organize them initially. I'm wondering if an organized left can eventually do something like that if these kinds of things continue to happen as US economic conditions break down.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yes the destruction of american SoL will give rise to larger grounds for marxism to flourish. This is inevitable and logical. And with "non-political" folk I didnt mean the suburban "we are comfortable" types, I meant the lowest classes. All the poorest and most miserable people I know are very apolitical and alienated from political action, they also blamed poor people (including themselves) on ideological reason.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 2 points 12 hours ago

Gotcha. Ya, makes sense because politics has never helped them no matter who's in power. Some of them joined Trump sadly but a lot just stayed out of politics still.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The libs need to feel the sting of declining material conditions before they'll be ripe for radicalization -- thus far, they have been fairly insulated from any consequences beyond a vague sense of discontent, or a dim awareness that some of their rights have been eroded away. Civil religion dictates that this will all blow over in four years when the bad orange king is gone and they go to the ballot box to ~~pray~~ vote for a new good king that will give them back their "rights," at least until the next bad king comes along.

They probably won't stay cowed forever, but if you're expecting direct action out of them, you're going to be waiting a while.