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lolwut. The guy literally said that Israel should "finish the job".
Lina Kahn has left the room.
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".
"Cut one and we all bleed."
I really think that "the imperial core" is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the "AES" states (the big two are not socialist states). Both Russia and China are also driving hard on exploiting the global South and erosion of US soft power results in reducing checks on that as well as increasing the possibility of further hot wars.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South. Really seems that you're less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
Forget it, Jake. It's .ml town.
Ok! First off, thanks for engaging instead of the ol' donvote-and-run
Few things. First, don't confuse words with actions (ESPECIALLY with Trump). He got the ceasefire done before even taking office.
Secondly, I definitely think he's a soulless ghoul who would sell out the Palestinians for any reason or no reason at all. The point in this argument is that he exposed the blatant dishonesty of the Democrats.
Like - good for her and the Biden White House for nibbling around the edges. Good thing they actually passed laws and not just regulations that will get immediately dismantled when the pendulum swings. In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS
Unfortunately this one is frankly ridiculous. You literally think the arrow of causation goes in that direction instead of people becoming disillusioned after trying to make change inside the party? People try to make change, discover Capital is in complete control, and abandon "civility".
I fully 100% endorse this statement. I lament the loss of lifesaving aid. I lament MORE the decades of self-determination that were stolen by the USA.
Are you an ultraleftist? Which countries have Capital on a leash and which countries are on Capital's leash? Think carefully before answering.
Sure, if we are only counting that I fully agree. We haven't even talked about the collapsing effect food aid has on local food economies.
I definitely want the West to lose, that's not in question. The better question is: Is the Global South suffering because the US just hasn't dropped enough rice out of C130s or because of decades of exploitation?
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously. Literally leaving no room to discuss fixing America. You just want to destroy it which is clearly why you want Trump and will ignore every reasonable point. Stop being evil
Rejecting capitalism doesn't equate to accepting authoritarianism, although many people seem to equate socialism with its authoritative flavor automatically.
There are other possibilities, like basic socialism, anarchism, and communitarianism.
Are you suggesting I equated the two? It seems you're the one relating the two. You're comment seems irrelevant to the point I'm making. I apologize if it I didn't make it clear: I'm anti tankie, not pro capitalist
Per your original comment, yes. Pro communist tankies aren't the same as socialists. Wish more people wouldn't make that equation.
It'd be like me saying that liberals are just MAGAts, when you clearly have different liberal factions like centrists and Social Democrats, and conservative factions like libertarians and fascists.
Yes, wanting the destruction of America is a tankie belief. Socialism doesn't preclude the rehabilitation of America. I don't think you're following your own argument here. Are you trying to say all socialist call for the destruction of America? Cause that's not foundational to socialism. You seem confused
You and I agree on this. Abandoning capitalism doesn't mean America needs to be destroyed, and adopting socialism doesn't mean America can't be rehabilitated.
Your original claim refuted the view of the Original Commenter (OC) who thought capitalism always wins, or seeks to concentrate wealth and therefore power in the hands of the few despite the needs of the many. I don't want to assume what your views on capitalism are. Do you think we should keep it as an organization of the economy? Or are there better alternatives? Regulation on capitalism is not a solution imo. As we've seen with Trump and Bush, politicians can be bought out to represent corporate interests, and can install anti-regulation pundits to undermine progress.
Quite the opposite. I'm saying I think you say all socialists call for the destruction of America because from how you've presented yourself, you don't recognize the variation in political philosophy on the left. My first comment to you tried to illuminate this variation by refuting your worldview that authoritarian, tankie communism applies to all forms of leftist ideologies, when there are others that don't include such levels of authority.
I'm not trying to argue. I'm trying to educate.
You probably shouldn't try to educate when you don't know what's going on.
Yep I refuted that with multiple examples
Nope, I said nothing about concentrating wealth. That's all you right now. Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. It's very weird.
What do you think it means for capitalism to win?
Not capitalism. Seriously go reread this thread. You are having your own little conversation right now
Do you think Capital ever loses in the US? Do you think it could ever lose in the future? How would that come about?
I mean it's really really bad. I don't personally think it can be fixed without first acknowledging the atrocious history and deep structural contradictions, but it sounds like you disagree?
I mostly want the American imperial period to end which is a different thing.
For the record I didn't want him elected but I am quite amused by his bumbling teardown of the imperial project
What reasonable point are you accusing me of ignoring?
Evil is certainly in the eye of the beholder
The US literally started as a rebellion against the capital holders in England you dunce. Plantation owners of the South lost. Robber barons of the 1920s lost. There are countless incidents where does happen even if it's not enough. You need go touch grass if that's a genuine belief you have.
Bullshit. You have zero interest in ever considering anything beyond "America bad".
There's a post bringing up many that you just shrugged off already eg Dems supporting Lena Khan who made exceptional progress breaking up tech monopolies you clown.
And the beholder would have to blind to think you are anything but a disingenuous monster that wants to push policy that hurts people. You're an accelerationist. You are evil.
So much name-calling in this comment LOL.
When Capital holders fight against each other, that's not the same as fighting against Capital. The local ruling class instigated the revolution and richly benefited from its results.
Yes, I think this is one of the few examples in American history where "assets" (human being slaves in this case) were forcibly repatriated from the ruling class
Yes, I believe that for all his other faults FDR faced down the fascist coup and actually did some progressive policies. The Democratic party has thoroughly squandered that legacy for 70 years
Can you kindly tell me a substantial policy win that has weakened Capital in the last 70 years?
So you actually know what I believe and desire? How fascinating
Pray tell what tech monopoly did she break up?
This is just a lot of projection and backlash. It seems you have literally no idea what I believe or what my policy preferences are, yet you are more than happy to assign me MAXIMUM EVIL in your worldview. Do you think that could be because of the propaganda you have been subjected to your whole life?
Yes I'm insulting. I think you're one of the worst people to exist right now. You've made your beliefs abundantly clear and I think your accelerationist beliefs aren't marginally better than white supremacists trying to start a race war. You do indeed support the "MAXIMUM EVIL". That does make you a dunce, a clown, a moron, an idiot. There's few insults that don't apply to you. And here you are moving the goal posts again because you are wrong. And to one so easily proven to someone engaging in genuine discourse. But because you are, again, a disingenuous troll, you're going hide behind your impossible qualifier "substantial". Lena Khan already won substantial wins against tech monopolies. Biden succeeded on limiting overdraft payments to $5 which is getting reversed by Trump, empowered unions, increased spending on enforcing labor laws, etc. Have you heard of the ACA? I'm sure that's still not "substantial" enough for you. And just like Trump, you're accusation is an admission. You are a garbage propagandist.
Okay, just going to skip over the first part and all the insults and projection. Let's talk policy.
I couldn't find any evidence of this. I guess at least she tried to stop the Activision Microsoft merger?
Sure, nice little policy win, doesn't even come close to touching the structural issues.
Yes, labor power is maybe the only hopeful thing going on in this country right now. Remember when Trump used the power of the federal government to forcefully break a rail strike? Oh wait that was actually Biden
I'm so exceptionally glad you brought this up, it's a perfect example. Which powerful interest in the healthcare industry lost power and money from this bill? All I see in an endless expanse of subsidies that prop up the existing system. If there was a public option included in the bill you might have a leg to stand on but we all know how that went.
Well yes, I'm not going to be very impressed with policies that just reinforce existing power structures, or do the right thing directionally but by a tiny amount, easily reversed.
What exactly is my accusation in your view?
Cool so pretty much what I said would happen. And I'm sure you can figure that last one out if you read just one more sentence. Eat shit tankie I've already given far more attention than you deserve
There's not really any meat in this comment to respond to. It sounds like you have tired of discussing policy
Yeah when they started name calling, it was pretty much over for their argument.
Thanks for sticking up for yours and my point of view. There are many contradictions in our capitalist state, and it seems like people would rather be in denial of it than come to terms with it.
Hey, thanks for saying I really appreciate it. It was definitely feeling like five on one for a second there. These threads can feel hopeless but it does seem like Capital is losing control of the narrative over the long term