Yeah - I hear that. I wouldn't say "don't speak up" so much as don't just speak up. Speak up but also work the system as it is, Losing the vote to somebody like Trump is counter-productive, maintaining the status quo would have been better even if it's still imperfect.

That's a fair statement. I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that the current administration hadn't won as a result of the failure of the voters on the other side so much as the aligning of a series of events. Too many people are simply making statements like well you didn't vote hard enough... which simply ignores reality.

I'm thinking more of Trump's first campaign which set this all in action. That's when he was truly still an outsider.

I believe we are aligned I this thought. It's their club and outsiders are a threat.

Other than that I think we mostly agree.

Cheers. This has been a fun exchange minus the earlier confusion. Appreciate you sticking it out to clarify 👊