I don't mean to be sectarian. I know a fuck ton of Trot individuals and orgs and their position on Gaza is very good. But SWP is so bad it's almost comical.

I discovered this as I was trying to find out why We Are Many dissolved 5 years ago. Did SWP go right??

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[–] Terrarium@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lmao setting up a debate is the most Troy thing ever. They probably would've packed the audience too. They have weird habita like that.

The "divide the workers" nonsense is a tailist canard. It's an excuse with over a century of history peddled by people who want their socialism to be simple more than accurate. The working class is already divided. Our task is to frame how it might be leveraged, and having a large settler component ia just a material and relevant fact that has to be contended with. These are not serious people, they don't even really read Marx, just Trot (etc) summaries, and they end up aubacriving to cartoon ideas of the analysis, idealist ones, rathee than subjecting it to material interests like those of settlers. The same way that anyone trying yo organize under segregation would beed to understand that the working class was already divided by anti-blackness and that this had both a material and psychological draw for whites. Recognizing it would not be dividing the working classz it would be understanding an existing divisiin so that you can think about how it might be overcome.

On the plus side it us not that hard to out-organize these types. They are internally volatile. That anger they showed you is the kind if thing they also do internally to those they "mentor". Of course, if therr isn't already a good anti-imperialist / ML group to join it would be a lot of work to build one, but it is also very rewarding.

[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Exactly what you said about it being an existing division. I tried framing it that way too, that I am not the one making these divisions, these divisions already exist and we have to include it in our analysis. But no, they acted like me speaking the word itself is what is dividing the working class.

And they were alo very anti nationalism. Because, guess why, it "divides the workers". I put more energy than I should have pulling quotes and arguments from Fanon, and even the big man of steel himself Stalin (as this group claimed to be Stalinist), as to why national liberation should be supported.

But every time just just sent me a doc their party wrote in the 60s about why I was wrong and why the BPP should be opposed.

I don't have to deal with them anymore thank god