Welcome to the first week of reading Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue by Leslie Feinberg!
Each week we'll read one chapter and discuss it in the comments. There are 8 chapters, and each chapter isn't too long, so this will be relatively light reading for most of you.
Also, THIS BOOK ISN'T JUST FOR TRANS PEOPLE. Obviously the book discusses trans issues, but as I've said before, it covers discussion on gender topics that would be relevant to basically everyone. So I highly encourage you to join if you're interested, regardless of whether you're trans or not.
To get started, here is a list of resources taken from the previous reading group session:
pdf download
epub download - Huge shout out to comrade @EugeneDebs for putting this together. I realized I didn't credit them in either post but here it is. I appreciate your efforts. ❤️
chapter 1 audiobook - Huge shout out to comrade @futomes for recording these. No words can truly express my appreciation for this. Thank you so much. ❤️
chapter 2 audiobook
chapter 3 audiobook
chapter 4 audiobook
chapter 5 audiobook
chapter 6 audiobook
chapter 7 audiobook
chapter 8 audiobook
Also here's another PDF download link and the whole book on ProleWiki.
In this thread we'll be discussing Chapter 1: We Are All Works in Progress.
CWs: Discussion of transphobia, abuse, SA. I should also mention since this came out in 1998, some of the language used might feel a little dated (specific language used is also a good topic of discussion imo).
I'll also ping a discussion list each week. Since this is the first week, the ping list will only include the few who've mentioned they're interested, but please let me know if you'd like to be added (or removed).
This is my first time doing something like this, so let me know if you have any feedback for me. Thanks!
Feinberg looking smug as shit on the cover lol
Been really feeling this particular excerpt lately:
I know I want a more feminine physical form, but when it comes to gender expression (which to me is in how I present myself and how I interact with other people) neither of the two binary "languages" is sufficient? The male language is too restrictive for me, and the female language doesn't have all the "words" I'm looking for, and can be restrictive in some ways as well...
Semi tangential thought, but I feel like this phenomenon is what's behind the whole puppygirl/boy thing younger trans people are into. That's not something cis people of either binary gender does (at least not in noticeable numbers) but I guess a lot of trans people find it useful as a way to express something inside them that can't be expressed with the two languages society allows us to speak.
(I sure hope I won't be wearing a collar before the end of summer
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I think you’re right about the puppy thing and maybe it also ties into furry culture? It makes total sense to me that people with an internal identity that is outside of societal norms would seek out personas that better fit how they feel.
There is one portion of that segment I’m confused about:
Wouldn’t this imply that gender IS a social construct? Or is zie trying to differentiate individual expression of gender from social norms here?
I think it's that one. the concept of gender as it exists presently is a social construct (you were born with x genitals, therefore you are x gender, therefore you do x and not y), but can be a means of individual expression if society were to get rid of it.
Maybe not so much differentiate as point out the dialectical relationship between the individual and social. We learn the language, yes, but then we speak it and, by speaking it, we are creating it.
This makes perfect sense.
This was a very beautiful metaphor and yes, we are not just writing new poetry, we are building an entirely new language.
I sure hope I will
I thought the whole puppygirl thing was pushback against this bizarre gendering of dogs/canines as masculine and cats/felines as feminine even though there are obviously female dogs and male cats. This is seen with a sexually open older woman being called a cougar. This is also why reactionaries latch onto the "lone wolf" even though a solitary wolf is completely nonthreatening and an actual solitary apex predator is some large feline (cougar, tiger, jaguar). A feline pretty much shits on any equivalently sized canine, so you would think loser fascists would identify more with strong and tough felines than weak and feeble canines.