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Welcome to the first week of reading Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue by Leslie Feinberg!

Each week we'll read one chapter and discuss it in the comments. There are 8 chapters, and each chapter isn't too long, so this will be relatively light reading for most of you.

Also, THIS BOOK ISN'T JUST FOR TRANS PEOPLE. Obviously the book discusses trans issues, but as I've said before, it covers discussion on gender topics that would be relevant to basically everyone. So I highly encourage you to join if you're interested, regardless of whether you're trans or not.

To get started, here is a list of resources taken from the previous reading group session:

pdf download
epub download - Huge shout out to comrade @EugeneDebs for putting this together. I realized I didn't credit them in either post but here it is. I appreciate your efforts. ❤️
chapter 1 audiobook - Huge shout out to comrade @futomes for recording these. No words can truly express my appreciation for this. Thank you so much. ❤️
chapter 2 audiobook
chapter 3 audiobook
chapter 4 audiobook
chapter 5 audiobook
chapter 6 audiobook
chapter 7 audiobook
chapter 8 audiobook

Also here's another PDF download link and the whole book on ProleWiki.

In this thread we'll be discussing Chapter 1: We Are All Works in Progress.

CWs: Discussion of transphobia, abuse, SA. I should also mention since this came out in 1998, some of the language used might feel a little dated (specific language used is also a good topic of discussion imo).

I'll also ping a discussion list each week. Since this is the first week, the ping list will only include the few who've mentioned they're interested, but please let me know if you'd like to be added (or removed).

This is my first time doing something like this, so let me know if you have any feedback for me. Thanks!

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Feinberg looking smug as shit on the cover lol

Been really feeling this particular excerpt lately:

I actually chafe at describing myself as masculine. For one thing, masculinity is such an expansive territory, encompassing boundaries of nationality, race, and class. Most importantly, individuals blaze their own trails across this landscape.

And it’s hard for me to label the intricate matrix of my gender as simply masculine. To me, branding individual self-expression as simply feminine or masculine is like asking poets: Do you write in English or Spanish? The question leaves out the possibilities that the poetry is woven in Cantonese or Ladino, Swahili or Arabic. The question deals only with the system of language that the poet has been taught. It ignores the words each writer hauls up, hand over hand, from a common well. The music words make when finding themselves next to each other for the first time. The silences echoing in the space between ideas. The powerful winds of passion and belief that move the poet to write.

That is why I do not hold the view that gender is simply a social construct — one of two languages that we learn by rote from early age. To me, gender is the poetry each of us makes out of the language we are taught. When I walk through the anthology of the world, I see individuals express their gender in exquisitely complex and ever-changing ways, despite the laws of pentameter.

I know I want a more feminine physical form, but when it comes to gender expression (which to me is in how I present myself and how I interact with other people) neither of the two binary "languages" is sufficient? The male language is too restrictive for me, and the female language doesn't have all the "words" I'm looking for, and can be restrictive in some ways as well...

Semi tangential thought, but I feel like this phenomenon is what's behind the whole puppygirl/boy thing younger trans people are into. That's not something cis people of either binary gender does (at least not in noticeable numbers) but I guess a lot of trans people find it useful as a way to express something inside them that can't be expressed with the two languages society allows us to speak.

(I sure hope I won't be wearing a collar before the end of summer oh-shit )

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think you’re right about the puppy thing and maybe it also ties into furry culture? It makes total sense to me that people with an internal identity that is outside of societal norms would seek out personas that better fit how they feel.

There is one portion of that segment I’m confused about:

That is why I do not hold the view that gender is simply a social construct — one of two languages that we learn by rote from early age. To me, gender is the poetry each of us makes out of the language we are taught.

Wouldn’t this imply that gender IS a social construct? Or is zie trying to differentiate individual expression of gender from social norms here?

[–] buh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Or is zie trying to differentiate individual expression of gender from social norms here?

I think it's that one. the concept of gender as it exists presently is a social construct (you were born with x genitals, therefore you are x gender, therefore you do x and not y), but can be a means of individual expression if society were to get rid of it.

[–] awth13@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe not so much differentiate as point out the dialectical relationship between the individual and social. We learn the language, yes, but then we speak it and, by speaking it, we are creating it.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

This makes perfect sense.

[–] awth13@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

This was a very beautiful metaphor and yes, we are not just writing new poetry, we are building an entirely new language.

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

(I sure hope I won't be wearing a collar before the end of summer )

I sure hope I will doggirl-smug

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Semi tangential thought, but I feel like this phenomenon is what's behind the whole puppygirl/boy thing younger trans people are into.

I thought the whole puppygirl thing was pushback against this bizarre gendering of dogs/canines as masculine and cats/felines as feminine even though there are obviously female dogs and male cats. This is seen with a sexually open older woman being called a cougar. This is also why reactionaries latch onto the "lone wolf" even though a solitary wolf is completely nonthreatening and an actual solitary apex predator is some large feline (cougar, tiger, jaguar). A feline pretty much shits on any equivalently sized canine, so you would think loser fascists would identify more with strong and tough felines than weak and feeble canines.