So i hate the guy as much as anyone else, but legally he can't stop them. Federal authority supercedes his. That might be confusing because of the whole Biden vs Texas thing that happened but that's just because Bidens a little removed and refused to nationalize the Texas national guard back then. Legally speaking as soon as the national guard gets the orders to nationalize they have to ignore all state level orders that contradict their federal ones. Even if Newsom ordered them all to stay in base they wouldn't. Now that being said he should definitely do more than tweet about it or whatever, but he's a cowardly lib so yknow.

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah people forget that when the US was fighting USSR in image wars and the Little Rock Nine spectacle went down, the governor there tried to block them using his national guard and in response Kennedy or Johnson or whoever federalized them, sent them back to base and sent in the US airborne 101 and there wasn't shit angry whitey could do about it but seethe and they were clearly very angry about it but not quite enough to try an insurrection (that would have been crushed most likely and we must remember that was racist white people who would've gotten the boot, maximum reluctance).

The president can absolutely do this and governors cannot do shit. Federal authority is pretty much supreme unless you get a court order that they're breaking some arcane legal rule about it and then only if the president cares to obey that.

What states CAN do is have a non-national guard kind of state guard militia. Thing is those don't get federal funds, can't really use federal military gear, and tend to be just a bunch of good old boys with rifles used to intimidate minorities. But even those can't really do anything if the national guard gets deployed, the feds can brush them aside and unless they're willing to fight and die against the feds they're going to get out of the way.

So the problem then is there is no left party that would ever punish Republicans or cause them to want restraint on use of these powers by abusing them towards them.

Basically if racist whites angry about black kids being in school with their white kids last century didn't find a way to stop this kind of thing there really isn't any legal way or trickery that can be used here to stop or sabotage this is my conviction.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah after the civil war the US really locked down that the states are servile to the feds and dont get a say in it. The only thing they could potentially do would be to have some sort of popular grassroot effort and the state just refuses to stop it. Like if californians stopped filing federal taxes en masse and the californians refused to enforce the federal tax law for example. The feds lack mass manpower for things like that so short of invading the state with the US military to collect taxes they couldn't enforce it without local police.

The best thing they can do now is sue, and start weaponizing regulations. For example doing constant long drawn out inspections at all their ports of entry to slow down trade. This would hurt the national economy and could give them some leverage in negotiations with the feds.