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Out of the loop, why is this about the UK?
As mentioned by another user itβs likely about the organization Palestine Action being designated a terrorist organization. This has caused about 700 arrests due to people protesting the designation of a group that never killed or hurt anyone as terrorists because they splashed some planes with red paint. Last time I heard an additional 60 protesters were arrested for supporting Palestine Action and officials said more arrests were likely coming.
Also for those who may have missed it: https://ukfactcheck.com/article/20/house-of-lord-member-lobbied-ministers-on-behalf-of-us-defence-firm-targeted-by-palestine-action
TL;DR: the US defence company Teledyne, whose factory was damaged by Palestine Action ("smashed windows, drilled roof panels, red paint, and smoke grenades"), paid off a corrupt member of the House of Lords to lobby the home secretary to proscribe them as terrorists, subjecting them to the same extreme anti-terror laws previously reserved for murderous groups such as Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, the IRA, etc.
The UK might as well be an American state at this point
That's pretty bad, I feel at the same time the UK is very open at making fun of politicians. Based on (comedy)TV shows about the news etc.
That site you linked appears to be AI generated and they can't guarantee they spot and fix all the hallucinations: https://ukfactcheck.com/editorial-standards
This appears to be the Guardian article mentioned in that post though: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/05/lord-dannatt-urged-ministers-to-crack-down-on-palestine-action-at-request-of-us-firm
Neither article claims that this Lord specifically lobbied to get Palestine Action proscribed. The Guardian article has the letters attached to the article, and terror is never mentioned, he just talks about 'considerable' and 'criminal' damage, and unjustified violence, not even the 'significant' damage required for the Terrorism Act. Additionally, his most recent letter was sent in September 2024, the proscription was July 2025.
This Lord is a shitty person lobbying on behalf of a US defence company to get protestors stricter criminal prosecution. However your claim that he lobbied to get Palestine Action proscribed as terrorists is not backed by evidence or the article you linked.
Literally the headline (and URL) in the Guardian: βLord Dannatt urged ministers to crack down on Palestine Action at request of US firmβ.
At best youβre engaging in petty word games pretending that βcrack downβ means anything other than the outcome he got, for God knows what reason. (Edit: I see you joined Lemmy two hours ago for the purposes of making that post and only that post, which makes your motives even more dubious)
I don't think there's any evidence that 'crack down' did refer to terrorism. I believe it most likely meant harsh criminal charges, as there was no reference to terrorism or any of the wording from the terrorism act in the letters he sent or the responses he got. I do not remember there being any public thought/debate of protest action being proscribed as terrorism, so I don't see how 'crack down' have been inferred to mean terrorism given there was no context of terrorism at the time. Unless we know that both both Teledyne and politicians were thinking of terrorism at the time, to say he lobbied to get them proscribed specifically rather than just harsher charges in general is speculation. However if you do have any evidence, I would love to see it. It wouldn't surprise me too much given that the proscription does not seem to make any sense from reading the definition of terrorism in the Terrorism Act.
And yes, I did make this account just for this. I've never had a lemmy account before, I always browse logged out because I'm a weird tin foil hat privacy nutter. I understand a newly created account with no prior activity is very suspicious.
Being a new account isn't suspicious in of itself, but being a new account that makes such an incredibly weak pettyfogging argument in defense of a shady corrupt arms company, now that is suspicious.
You're asking for "evidence" that lobbying a government to "crack down" on something means pushing them to enact legislation about it? You show me evidence that it doesn't mean that, because the latter reading is by far the least plausible of the two.
we're all going to northolt this afternoon. would you like to come along? bring some paint and if you have any watermelons that would be good
see you at 3pm yeah?
we're going to have a coffee
Possibly something about recognising or supporting Palestine?
There's been a change where they consider that terrorism or something - look it up and don't take my word for it though, I'm in the wrong hemisphere
did you support them when they destroyed equipment for ukraine?
how much of a traitor are you? do you just hate genocide or are you willing to sacrifice capitalism and democracy in the US and UK and Ukraine to save the children in gaza
I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry
Southern hemisphere? Because UK is kinda both west and east
Yup! NZ. So I really don't know shit but have only caught into it from then arresting protesters supporting Palestine
Damn I'm jealous. To be so far away from most of the tension in the world. Not jealous of your internet speeds though, unless it's changed in the last decade or so?
Its definitely improved but like most things, we're only a decade behind in our right-wing sweep.
All going to shit over here, too, I'm afraid
Ah damn. I do hate how it happens in waves and all over the "western" world (using that term very loosely here).
Most of us have fibre optic broadband now, my connection is gigabit down, 400 up. I could have an 8 gigabit connection if I wanted. And I live rural.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Fast_Broadband_(New_Zealand)
Close to 90% of the population has it.
Hah, my own country's not doing nearly as well. Took me years to finally get fiber and people properly rural will never get it. Digital leadership of Europe my ass.
Glad to see things are getting better here. Hope life's good in general.