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I keep seeing Zionists claiming to be terrified at the Palestinian flag, or trying to say the phrase "free Palestine" is hate speech. Even now, when Gaza has been razed to the ground and hundreds of thousands are dead, the very words Gaza, Palestine, Hamas, intifada, etc are claimed to be intrinsically racist.

Do they actually believe this or are they just playing a silly language game? Like the Sartre quote about antisemites not believing in anything. How deep in the weeds does a Zionist have to be in to believe that the very existence of Palestinian people is comparable to hate groups like the klan? (Real comparison I've heard)

I know it's probably complicated, like some believe this and some are just using it as a tool to terminate critique, but does anyone have any further insight?

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Zionism is very distincly Antisemitic

If the colonization of Palestine has been characterized by a series of depredations, we should take a moment to examine the attitude of the Zionist movement not only toward its Palestinian victims (to which we shall return), but toward the Jews themselves.

Herzl himself wrote of the Jews in the following fashion: “I achieved a freer attitude toward anti-Semitism, which I now began to understand historically and to pardon. Above all, I recognized the emptiness and futility of trying to ’combat’ anti-Semitism.” [76] The youth organization of the Zionists, Hashomer Hatzair (young Guard) published the following: “A Jew is a caricature of a normal, natural human being, both physically and spiritually. As an individual in society he revolts and throws off the harness of social obligations, knows no order nor discipline.” [77] “The Jewish people,” wrote Jabotinsky in the same vein, “is a very bad people; its neighbors hate it and rightly so ... its only salvation lies in a general immigration to the land of Israel.” [78] The founders of Zionism despaired of combatting anti-Semitism and, paradoxically, regarded the anti-Semites themselves as allies, because of a shared desire to remove the Jews from the countries in which they lived. Step by step, they assimilated the values of Jew-hatred and anti-Semitism, as the Zionist movement came to regard the anti-Semites themselves as their most reliable sponsors and protectors.

Theodor Herzl approached none other than Count Von Plehve, the author of the worst pogroms in Russia – the pogroms of Kishinev with the following proposition: “Help me to reach the land [Palestine] sooner and the revolt [against Czarist rule] will end.” [79] Von Plehve agreed, and he undertook to finance the Zionist movement. He was later to complain to Herzl: “The Jews have been joining the revolutionary parties. We were sympathetic to your Zionist movement as long as it worked toward emigration. You don’t have to justify the movement to me. You are preaching to a convert.” [80] Herzl and Weizmann offered to help guarantee Czarist interests in Palestine and to rid Eastern Europe and Russia of those “noxious and subversive Anarcho-Bolshevik Jews”.

As we have noted, the same appeal was made by the Zionists to the Sultan of Turkey, the Kaiser in Germany, to French imperialism and to the British Raj.

the Hole Basis of the Ideology , the Fuel that powers it is the notion that Antisemitism is some sort of eternal force, a force the Forces the Jews into their "homeland" Israel .. so the mananger of the homeland "israel" has tried to , will make sure that the "fuel" does not run out ..

"Push and Pull factors"

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

those “noxious and subversive Anarcho-Bolshevik Jews”.

They sound perfectly fine to me.