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not his fault but you are putting yourself in a very vulnerable position every time you get on a motorcycle. ultimately the pavement doesn't care who is at fault, it rips you up just the same.
That’s why you have wear All The Gear All The Time and still you’re not safe around a lot of drivers.
This is what i always tell people.
The crash may or may not be your fault, but it is your problem. Your safety is your own responsibility.
No point in being right if you're dead.
Cemetery is full of people who had the right of way
Not wrong, but also not metal
You’re not wrong, but there’s a lot of victim blaming in this thread.
There’s a lot that can be done to improve things, and most of them don’t involve escalating to bigger and bigger vehicles so that the other guy gets killed instead of you.
Roads need to be designed for people, not cars.
it's not victim blaming, more of a PSA. If you choose to ride a motorcycle you implicitly accept that stuff like this can happen.
That is victim-blaming. “Oh well these things happen, they didn’t protect themselves well enough” is exactly that.
this isn't a situation where a person was living their life and targeted by a criminal because of what they wore or whatever. THAT would be victim blaming.
when you ride a motorcycle you accept it is dangerous and you are more likely to be killed. same as any other harmful activity like smoking cigarettes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming#Urban_planning_and_road_safety
Motorcyclists absolutely fall into that category.
motorcyclists absolutely do not fall into the same category as pedestriants and bicyclists.
Pedestrians and bicyclists should get preferential treatment since they are clean mode of transport, and relatively safe on their own. Pedestrians and bicyclists are not zooming around at the same speeds as cars.
If we were all to convert to walking or bicycling that would be great and very safe. If we were all to convert to motorcycles, they would still be very dangerous. There is no getting around the inherent danger in riding motorcycles.
The inherent danger of motorcycles yes. But that inherent danger does not come from cars.
[edit: this is side tracking from the original point which is that victim blaming does not refer exclusively to targets of criminal intent or whatever you were suggesting that it means.]
Yeah, why didn't he partecipate in the vehicular arms race?
this is not a slippery slope issue. you can drive a reasonable car to keep yourself reasonably safe.
Or anticipate that all people are fallible and can fail to stop or yield at any time. A friend lost a leg in a similar accident. It's obviously not their fault, but being whole and alive beats being right. Even when I'm driving a car I look for road joins and defensively give everyone coming a wide berth. You just can't trust strangers.
yes that has been my point from the beginning. you are going to get hit by someone at some point on the road, and when that happens you’re far better off with crash structures, air bags, and a seat belt around you.
why didn't he take Marta? cause it sucks