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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

With Mandami, people voted in the primary, selected a progressive, and then he won in the general election.

Vote in the primaries. That's the whole trick.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember that the party interferes with the primaries. Any progressive that wins has to successfully fight both parties.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All you have to do to defeat that is to fucking vote. Bernie lost the Presidential primaries in 2016 ans 2020 because more people voted for Clinton and Biden.

Yeah, there was talk about them rigging the 2016 primary for Clinton with the superdelegates if Bernie was ahead, but it never reached that point because Clinton secured the nomination before the convention.

I teach at a university and I had a ton of students praising Bernie who couldn't be assed to change their registration to a local address or drive home for a day to vote for him. And then they refused to vote in the general because they were protesting that the person they couldn't be bothered to vote for didn't win the nomination.

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I caucused for Bernie both times. The first time, Clinton's staffers misdirected and intimidated a bunch of Bernie supporters to stand on her side of the room. No one realized what had happened until after the count was taken, but by then it was too late, and the person running the caucus turned a deaf ear to our complaints. We were told that we'd be thrown out/arrested if we continued to make a disturbance.

The second time, we didn't have enough people for Bernie to be considered a "viable" candidate, and that's only because the people from the Biden side of the room convinced half of our group that we were not viable (we were, but that was the first caucus for most of the Bernie supporters and they didn't know how it worked)

If you're not familiar with caucuses, I don't blame you; they are an antiquated, easily manipulated system that needs to be thrown out.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

All you have to do to defeat that is to fucking vote.

And in places where the party's fuckery succeeds, you'll pretend that the primaries are fair because you like the results.

Yeah, there was talk about them rigging the 2016 primary for Clinton with the superdelegates if Bernie was ahead, but it never reached that point because Clinton secured the nomination before the convention.

The party successfully argued in court that it could decide the nominee in a smoke filled room without the input of the voters if it wanted. Then it did just that in 2024. And you pretend it was fair because a genocide candidate was nominated.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The establishment Dems didn't support Mandami, but he still won in the primaries. You know why? Because people showed up to vote.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

How many have lost because the party plays favorites?

Who showed up to vote for harris in the primaries we were cheated out of?

The results of crooked primaries are not reliably indicative of the electorate's will.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who said it was fair? But you've got to use every tool at your disposal. Don't make it easy for them.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Centrists argue that we should ignore progressives and point to primary losses as a reason.

Primaries centrists run dishonestly for their own benefit.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Not expecting progressives to regard dishonest primaries as fair, and not using the results of those primaries to inform criteria for what constitutes an "electable" candidate.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For newbies: "the primary" in the US is the selection process for who you get to vote for in the coming election.

Democrats and Republicans each have their own primary to select a candidate for the district where you live.

I would phrase it as:

Each party sends a candidate to compete in the general election. The primary elections are the party's internal elections to decide who their candidate is.

In the United States, elections for the office of the Presidency are held every four years. Fun fact: the first few elections, the winner of the race got to be the president, and the runner up was made the vice president. The great experiment in democracy yielded data: That doesn't fucking work! So the candidates for vice president are selected by the presidential candidates during the campaign cycle. As a major job of the president is to appoint people, this is the free sample you get. They then run as a pair, the vice presidential candidates are often called "running mates." These get a lot of attention, you'll hear these called Major Elections. The next one is still tentatively scheduled for 2028.

Congress...is kinda fucking stupid. But also, the term "congressman" refers strictly to members of the House of Representatives; members of the upper house are addressed as "senator." Congressmen serve 2 year terms with no term limits. We re-elect the entire lower house every 2 years, almost to a man. Half of those elections line up with a presidential election, the ones that don't are often called "Midterm elections." There is a mid-term this year.

The Senate is even weirder, senators serve 6 year terms, and every two years a third of the senate is up for re-election. From an individual state's perspective, that means one of your senators is up during one election, the other one is up two years later, and then neither is up two years after that. Because 100 isn't divisible by 3, there's an exception to that somewhere, I'm not sure where it is off the top of my head.

It gets a little complicated because each party, the Democrats, Republicans, and The United Collective Of Parties That Are Allowed To Exist Because Of The First Amendment Assembly Clause But Not Allowed To Matter, and each state, are allowed to choose how their primaries (and their elections) work.

In many states, such as my home state of North Carolina, a primary election looks like the main election, The party issues a paper ballot, you bubble with a pen and insert into the box. Other states have "caucuses" where you go to a big room and vote by physically sitting in the area designated for the candidate you support. Some parties in some states welcome anyone to participate, some allow only registered members of that party to participate. Such is life in a federation.

Most, I think all, states also line up their own elections with the Federal elections. So every two years you walk into the polls for a 1/2 chance of voting for a President and vice president, 2/3 chance of voting for 1 senator, 1 congressman, quite possibly a governor, lieutenant governor, general assemblyman, state senator, county commissioner, sheriff, district judge, town mayor, 3-7 school board members, dog catcher and village idiot.