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[–] barzaria@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The utilitarian framework of ethics provides an answer in this specific case, if you make an assumption about the level of suffering the people will endure while being run over by the train. If the suffering of the one man when he gets hit by the train is equal to the suffering to any one of the five men when they get hit by the train, then is makes no difference that the one man will not die. Utilitarianism states that the greatest good is human pleasure, and the greatest bad is human suffering. In this case, the one man being immortal increases his capacity to suffer, while the five men can only experience the suffering once. This means that the one man will experience human suffering equal to the five men after five cycles of the tram, which will take 50 seconds. If I wasn't sure that I could break the chain and free the one man within 50 seconds, then the correct course of action is to let the five men die because human suffering will be greater overall for this system after 50 seconds, at the cost of one unit every ten seconds. If the one man could be sedated and experience no pain until the chains could be cut, then we are effectively performing a kind of surgery on the one man, and long periods of sedation would be justified while his chains are being cut.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To counter: immortality means that this person must necessarily endure an infinite amount of suffering whether they get off the tracks or not (e.g. drifting through the cold void after the sun explodes)

The other people can be saved from an avoidable grisly death while the immortal's suffering is merely delayed.

[–] barzaria@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I appreciate this take on the concept of how this utility function would work. If we made the utility function different within our utilitarian framing, we might produce different outcomes given the same scenario. It seems that the differences in our utility functions are whether they are based on absolute or relative suffering. Also, death may be a type of suffering which is different from pain, as I assume most people would accept a large amount of pain to continue living. How many times of getting hit by the train would be equal to one death, I wonder?