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The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I have no idea what you're talking about.

What I'm saying is that the rich people who make the food are the ones who make the decision to destroy it. You can't say, "The rich people will never find out" when they're the ones who would be doing what you're suggesting.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, I meant the rich people who buy the food will never find out. The people who grow the food are not "rich people" generally, they are land owners and farmers, I don't categorize them in my mind as "rich people" in the same sense. They have generational wealth and are way more well-connected than normal rich people.

Ultra wealthy class grows the food, sells it to the rich, these are two different groups of people who live in different neighborhoods.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The people who grow the food are not “rich people” generally, they are land owners and farmers, I don’t categorize them in my mind as “rich people” in the same sense. They have generational wealth and are way more well-connected than normal rich people.

What? The companies that own the land are very much run by rich people. And I can't make heads or tails out of the last sentence. Having generational wealth and connections makes them not be rich people?

If anything, you seem to have it backwards. The customers aren't necessarily "rich people," not everyone who buys bananas is rich. Pretty much everyone who owns a banana plantation is.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ok man.

Group 1 has generational wealth and land. They are absurdly wealthy to the point where wealth means little to them. They live in the middle of nowhere on farms or on massive complexes. Local government carters to them.

Group 2 is pretty rich, at least compared to me. They live in cities and in the suburbs. Their houses are close together and look similar. They are much more wealthy than the average person but they are not related to nor do they associate with Group 1.

Group 3 is relatively poor or average. They live in apartments or in “bad” suburbs. Their neighborhoods have more diversity and Spanish is often the dominant language.

I don’t know how the demographics look like in your state or if rich and poor are black and white binaries with no varying categories where you live. Grapes of Wrath is about people moving from Oklahoma to California for work.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Ok? I understand that part, what I don't understand is how group 1 isn't included in "rich people" despite being the richest group. Or what you're saying overall.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't consider them regular rich people, as they are the ruling class.

I've explained myself a few times now. I'm sorry if you're unable to understand, but selling a product at a higher price to richer people and selling the excess at a lower price to poorer people is not a concept I made up myself. Good luck in life and have a nice day.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The ruling class falls under "rich people" the way like 99.9% of people use language. "Too rich to be considered 'rich people'" is a new one for me. Sorry that I'm "unable to understand" when you use terminology that way.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 points 8 hours ago

Ok. Have a nice day.