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The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

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[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 3 points 9 hours ago

most efficient for billionaires that is

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Why not just sell the fruit wholesale?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up?

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I agree with this guy, I would also just drive out to a different neighborhood and sell them wholesale. Nobody has to know they're cheaper over there. Plus rich people don't want to go where the poors are, so they'll never find out. As an additional life hack, I'd choose a neighborhood with a language barrier, even better.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Plus rich people don’t want to go where the poors are, so they’ll never find out.

Who exactly do you think is making the decision to destroy the food?

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, the rich people who buy the food and the rich people who make the food belong to two different social classes and often live in different neighborhoods.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I have no idea what you're talking about.

What I'm saying is that the rich people who make the food are the ones who make the decision to destroy it. You can't say, "The rich people will never find out" when they're the ones who would be doing what you're suggesting.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, I meant the rich people who buy the food will never find out. The people who grow the food are not "rich people" generally, they are land owners and farmers, I don't categorize them in my mind as "rich people" in the same sense. They have generational wealth and are way more well-connected than normal rich people.

Ultra wealthy class grows the food, sells it to the rich, these are two different groups of people who live in different neighborhoods.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The people who grow the food are not “rich people” generally, they are land owners and farmers, I don’t categorize them in my mind as “rich people” in the same sense. They have generational wealth and are way more well-connected than normal rich people.

What? The companies that own the land are very much run by rich people. And I can't make heads or tails out of the last sentence. Having generational wealth and connections makes them not be rich people?

If anything, you seem to have it backwards. The customers aren't necessarily "rich people," not everyone who buys bananas is rich. Pretty much everyone who owns a banana plantation is.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Ok man.

Group 1 has generational wealth and land. They are absurdly wealthy to the point where wealth means little to them. They live in the middle of nowhere on farms or on massive complexes. Local government carters to them.

Group 2 is pretty rich, at least compared to me. They live in cities and in the suburbs. Their houses are close together and look similar. They are much more wealthy than the average person but they are not related to nor do they associate with Group 1.

Group 3 is relatively poor or average. They live in apartments or in “bad” suburbs. Their neighborhoods have more diversity and Spanish is often the dominant language.

I don’t know how the demographics look like in your state or if rich and poor are black and white binaries with no varying categories where you live. Grapes of Wrath is about people moving from Oklahoma to California for work.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Ok? I understand that part, what I don't understand is how group 1 isn't included in "rich people" despite being the richest group. Or what you're saying overall.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't consider them regular rich people, as they are the ruling class.

I've explained myself a few times now. I'm sorry if you're unable to understand, but selling a product at a higher price to richer people and selling the excess at a lower price to poorer people is not a concept I made up myself. Good luck in life and have a nice day.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The ruling class falls under "rich people" the way like 99.9% of people use language. "Too rich to be considered 'rich people'" is a new one for me. Sorry that I'm "unable to understand" when you use terminology that way.

[–] sureshot0@discuss.online 1 points 7 hours ago

Ok. Have a nice day.

[–] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

So socialism is when banana not curvy?

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 37 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Sorry, I find it hard to believe that these bananas are not instead sold slightly cheaper for uses where the looks don't matter. E.g. for processing into foods where they essentially just get mashed, like yogurts with banana taste or whatever there is. Also selling them to Zoos as I am sure animals don't care either. Is that really not financially viable?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 11 points 19 hours ago

The scale of demand at zoos is nowhere near the scale of waste. Banana flavoring may be cheaper to produce chemically than shipping real bananas.

Food waste at production is a very real thing.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 7 points 19 hours ago

Find it hard to believe all you want. Go watch the documentary showing that it’s happening.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I saw it with my own eyes. There were huge piles of bananas in between plantations in one of the biggest banana producing countries here in South America.

I picked through them and salvaged a few.

Probably many are sold to pig farms, but there were still huge piles just rotting on the side of the highway

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Why don't people just pick them up?

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Plantations are pretty far from cities

And the locals that live near the plantations all have their own banana grass

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

Probably is, there just isn't enough demand in those areas to use all of it.

There's still hungry people all over the world though. Disposing of food at this scale should be a crime.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How often do you eat something commercially produced and banana flavored with real banana compared to eating an actual banana (or even seeing the products in the store, if you’re not a banana person), though? If that were a viable use for the waste, it would be like 40:60 (because zoo populations are insignificant compared to humans). For me, it’s about 5:95, and that’s only because I like Bananenweizen.

[–] kartoffelsaft@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Banana pudding, banana bread (storebought), strawberry banana V8, banana chips? I don't eat a lot of bananas so maybe I'm an outlier but I could see my banana intake being over half non-photogenic from the above listed.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, it was a totally genuine question, I don’t know what the average is. Banana bread and twinkies occurred to me (but tbh, I suspect most banana bread consumed is homemade and twinkies are probably artificially flavored), but the others didn’t, because I’m too cheap to buy most of those. No idea if I’m an outlier either.

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I guess it is also cheaper to get artificial flavour instead, bit sad.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Recently started growing my own veg, been growing herbs for longer. A lot of veg doesn't really look like they do in supermarkets. Sometimes it might but a lot don't.

I know Aldi sell "wonky veg" which is more like it. If I am cutting it up anyway why would I care what shape a carrot is?

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I intentionally cut my carrots unevenly, it creates more textural interest.

Really hate to be reminded what they do to bananas. You could change the world with cheap banana beer.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bananas are fruit so we could pretend to be fancy and call it banana wine.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Add a little honey and you've got bananomel

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

And alcohol free banana wine preparation, comes in biodegradable package, just add milk and stir.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The majority of the fermentable sugars would have to be honey for it to be a bananamel.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Found u/StormBeforeDawn's Lemmy account 😄

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is knowing how mead is made a secret held by a singular person on the Internet?

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Well, he acts like it anyway. Was just trying it on for size, how great would it have been if I was right?

[–] TRBoom@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

See the problem here is that they're not applying TRUE capitalism.

These ugly bananas at the very least should be sold for pig feed or converted into banana liqueur. Just like Henry Ford with all his extra wood, a true capitalist would turn waste into profit!

And put all the landlords into jail and redistribute their property to their tenants

/s

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The capitalistic system is only efficient for the owners. Forever everyone else it is a miserable resource extracting time wasting form of slavery

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

food waste is good; that way we are prepared for a true natural disaster