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[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 158 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

*in the US. Norway has charged Thorbjørn Jagland and in the UK Peter Mandelson and the Andrew formerly known as Prince were arrested, plus a number of other countries have criminal investigations ongoing. All so far for corruption rather than sex crimes but that's probably a function of what's easier to prove in court.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Andrew formerly known as Prince

Iirc, that was for sharing state secrets, not for being a pedophile rapist.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 41 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

On the one hand, whatever sticks. On the other, WHY can’t we somehow make child sex trafficking charges stick?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove, even if the victim goes to the police immediately and there's physical evidence taken.

First of all, the supposed rapist can say "There was no rape". At times, the physical evidence can make that seem unlikely. In particular if there's evidence of violence and there's semen, then it's easy to believe that violence + sex = rape. But, if either of those is missing it's hard to prove that a rape even occurred.

Second, the supposed rapist can say "It wasn't me". Before DNA analysis it was hard to prove who was at the scene. These days, if there's semen at the scene at least you can say that a certain man was present and involved in something sexual.

Third, the supposed rapist can say "It was consensual". Given that most of the time there are only 2 witnesses, it's difficult to say which witness is lying and which is telling the truth. A jury might have a strong suspicion, but a strong suspicion isn't "reasonable doubt".

In the Epstein cases, you can at least sometimes eliminate the third objection. If the victims were underage, they couldn't consent. But, that still leaves the other two major issues. Those are the ones that really require physical evidence. And, in these cases, the evidence is long gone. So, you can't prove that a rape occurred using physical evidence, nor can you prove that a certain man was at the scene using physical evidence. What you're left with is two witnesses using their flawed memory to recall details of something that happened a decade ago.

Maybe using flight logs and emails you can prove that Andrew was on the island at the same time as a victim. Maybe you can put Andrew in a photograph with the victim, showing that he had met her at some point. That's enough to be very suspicious, but it's not enough to get a rape conviction.

Now, you said "child sex trafficking" not rape. But, if anything, that's even harder to prove. Step 1 of proving sex trafficking is probably proving the "sex" part, and that's going to be extremely difficult a decade later without any physical evidence. As for the trafficking, you'd have to prove that certain people were moved to certain places. But, that would rely on accurate documents like flight logs listing everybody on a flight. But, we've seen that a lot of the flight logs are incomplete, or they don't name the girls on the flights.

I'm sure there are powerful people trying to slow, stall or stop any attempt to prosecute anybody for what happened. But, at the same time, even if they were putting in a massive effort, it might not be possible to actually get a conviction anymore because too much time has passed and too much of the evidence is gone.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 27 points 19 hours ago

Because when the top people presiding over sex trafficking cases look in the mirror, they find 14 year old girls attractive too.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 20 hours ago

Because money and power are more important to people making decisions than doing things for the betterment of society.

Sadly the best people to lead are usually people who don't want positions of power like that.

Not that anyone in the "royal" family did literally anything to get where they are...

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Iirc, that was for sharing state secrets, not for being a pedophile rapist.

They got Al Capone on tax evasion.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

They got Al Capone on tax evasion.

yeah because that's what matters to the overlords: that they get a fair share of your profits, doesn't matter where you got them from

[–] jestho@lemmy.zip 76 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

the Andrew formerly known as Prince

this gave me a good chuckle

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 13 points 16 hours ago

He was released quickly. He and the diplomat were only arrested for leaking state secrets. GHCQ couldn't even pretend to give a fuck about the kids, rapes, murders, etc...

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 27 points 21 hours ago

Andy was released after 11 hours. The british "police" keep tradesmen in jail longer for having a utility knife on them.

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Im going to hell for laughing at that Prince joke.

[–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'm going to hell because I can't find my wallet I think I left it there

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, cool. Do you also go to hell in the winter to escape the cold? I go every year

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Better book now, the view condos are already taken.

[–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 2 points 18 hours ago

Well I'm sure you could use the exercise.