Reminder that Charlie Kirk was an extremist, who wanted to "remove" (read: genocide) people he didn't like.
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"even more innocent" doesn't even begin to cover the difference between a bigoted, sexist fascist turd and an average guy.
Its really wild to me when Kirk died just HOW MANY people seemed to come pouring out trying to lionize that fuckwit asshole.
You think your average guy is a convicted felon with meth and fent addiction?
wow, he had an addiction? that's crazy. surely having an addiction makes you evil, surely.
I doubt the average American has been convicted of a violent crime and has multiple drug addictions but somehow you think that’s a moral judgement and not simple fact.
You brought it up during a discussion of morality and are surprised people are interpreting that as you making a moral judgement? Are you being purposely obtuse or accidentally stupid? It's hard to tell online.
If facts are clashing with your morals that’s your problem not mine.
I simply disagree with labelling your average man as a violent drug addict.
If he was just a little more rapey, he coulda been president!
Or a pedophile!
when selecting any single person there are multiple things about them that are not average (plays violin/is gay/has 3 cats/…) yet we would still denote them as average people. So it very much does feel like the difference is a moral judgement
Literally yes
I would trust my Floyd with kids before I trusted Kirk.
Okay? I don’t see what that’s got to do with someone thinking an average American is both a violent criminal and drug addict.
Well the last violent crime he committed was in 2007 (aggrevated robbery) for which he got out at 2013 and seems like he managed to turn his life around by working two jobs but then probably succumbed to poverty after he lost them both in 2020 COVID pandemic. All these pretty understandable given that Lloyd had a pretty poor childhood, if you want to find the average in him. So a description of the type "violent criminal" looks more like a MAGA rhetoric at this point rather than a refined understanding of the situation.
Charlie Kirk, on the other hand, was coming from an extremely privileged background and had every reason to be a decent person but yet somehow managed to turn himself into a turd of collosal magnitude. So yeah "even more innocent" doesn't begin to explain the difference.
In this society, yes.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13524-017-0611-1
Best source I’ve found so far. Doesn’t sound like your average person is a felon.
What percentage of felons are drug addicts is another factor so even less of the population fit this twisted view of an average man.
The average man in America isn't black but there is nothing abnormal about a man being black.
True, though it seems to me that holding someone at gunpoint during a home invasion is abnormal behaviour and not the behaviour of an average man.
Eh, the point still stands, that is the level of absolue shittyness we are talking about. If we account for the backgrounds these people come from it makes the gap even wider.
I've not made any comparison with Kirk.
Simply pointing out that your average man does not have a history as a violent criminal and drug addict.
yes and I have pointed out the conclusion still holds true
What don’t you get about my statement that the average man isn’t a drug addict with a conviction for violent crime?
There’s no ulterior motive to that statement of fact. It’s just a fact. Admitting it won’t hurt you.
Have you seen me opposing the statement that he has committed violent crimes in his past or that it isn't the average man behaviour? I have even given more context on the nature of the crime. "Yes but ..." exactly means even under this context the statement still holds true. If I thought that was not the case I would oppose your statement with facts rather than update mine. So I think it might be you who is not understanding the statement.
I don't think you have an ulterior motive but focusing on one superficial aspect of the statement and using reductive descriptions you are missing the depth of what you have gotten into. It feels like I am saying "Like Pluto, Neptune is quite far from Mars" and you are saying "Yes but Pluto isn't a planet and is also farther".
Violence against others is fine so long as you do it with words that encourage hate among others in the setting of being a college campus speaker though right? I am just asking questions here.
I’ve never condoned Kirk’s actions, and as an Aussie it was amusing that after he railed against Australian gun control that he was shot mid dog whistle on a question about gun violence.
But Kirk is irrelevant to the fact that your average man is law abiding and not an addict.
I mean, in the broad sense,your average man breaks the law constantly while driving, at the very least.
Speeding is a bit different from holding someone at gunpoint during a home invasion.
Which is why speeding won’t get you a felony conviction…
Yet around the same amount of people get killed by both each year.
Well that depends on what country we're looking at but if you ever find yourself being held at gunpoint I doubt you'll find that equivalence very reassuring.
I dunno, at least with a gun pointed at you you cpukd maybe talk them down. A car is just going to be bam, dead.
Your average man in which context? From a poor background and family with troubles? Then yea in that context mostly likely your average man. But reductive statements like this would not help a discussion of this type really.
I mean, have you heard the numbers "saved" by Trump from fentenol from his xenophobic bull shit? The "average guy" would haveto be a fent addict twice to make some of those even make sense.
No I avoid listening to demented dons ramblings as much as possible.
Average guy?
Have you not heard of the president and his friends?