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[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do you think we should still have elevator operators?

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t necessarily disagree with automation. I think the article is being disingenuous with their reasons for it.

To start off, the posts headline is inaccurate. It’s not against any law to have automated transport systems. The US has had automated train systems for 50+ years. They were designed that way from the start though. The article is complaining about systems that were not designed with automation in mind. They are not being retrofitted because of this particular regulation that was designed to protect existing workers.

From the posted article:

Yet no legacy US heavy rail system has been retrofitted for full automation. Many legacy US systems already use automatic train control (ATC) technology that can operate trains without a driver — San Francisco’s BART trains have run under automatic control since the system opened in 1972, and WMATA’s trains in the DC-Maryland-Virginia region are similarly automated. But no legacy system has removed onboard operators and transitioned to unattended operation.

Since they mention BART, their own website says removing train operators does basically nothing to solve their financial issues. It just moves costs around and ignores the insane cost to retrofit it in the first place that would likely take decades to recoup.

Train Operator salaries and benefits (including overtime) makes up 7.8% of the FY27 Preliminary Operating Budget $1.05B.  That is $81-$83M ($71.5M in wages and benefits and the overtime budget is about $11M). The structural deficit is up to $400M per year. If regulations allowed BART to remove Train Operators, there would be costs associated with no longer having train operators on board such as increased operation control center staffing and more at the ready staff presence for incident response etc. – and that’s not even considering the significant upfront capital costs.

From budget data I could find, the BART police department was a larger slice of the budget than the train operators.

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 day ago

Hmmm. When it's retrofitting, I tend to agree with you. It's a stopgap for building a new integrated system that was built from the ground up with no operators in mind. Also, regarding BART, that's a passenger system, which is its own can of worms. A ton of wheat, in a receptacle designed for it, does not generally start making trouble that you haven't thought of yet.

People, though...

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think we should try to comprehend what we read?

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago